Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I call into question that 97% as specious. There aren't just 3 reasons to have an abortion. If those are the only reasons given, maybe that would be the break down, but that displays a bias in the study from the onset. What about birth control failure? Not all people who haven't been raped or are seeking an abortion for a reason other than for their health were practicing unprotected sex. It doesn't sound as atrocious to report that these responsible people had birth control failure and chose abortion, so lumping them in with post- conception birth control is more efficacious for the cause. What about women who decide to reduce the number of fetuses after in vitro to protect the life of their other fetuses? That doesn't fit neatly into any of these three boxes but happens more frequently than you might think. You also haven't taken into account the many abortions that are performed because of fetal anomalies that are incompatible with life. These parents desperately want children but make the decision to terminate their pregnancies to prevent their children from suffering. Where does that fit? It doesn't fall into the maternal risk category. Your numbers are flawed.

Post conception birth control is still post conception birth control, regardless of whether a form of pre conception birth control was used.

The 1% was Health Reasons - mother OR child.


violetpretty - your "arguments" seem to be supporting my case, rather than refuting it. Not sure f that's your intention or not. I was using the stat more generous to the pro choicers to really say that any post conception birth control abortions are too many.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Post conception birth control is still post conception birth control, regardless of whether a form of pre conception birth control was used.

The 1% was Health Reasons - mother OR child.


violetpretty - your "arguments" seem to be supporting my case, rather than refuting it. Not sure f that's your intention or not. I was using the stat more generous to the pro choicers to really say that any post conception birth control abortions are too many.

Any abortion is post conception birth control. It is preventing the birth of a baby, just like a condom, just like getting your tubes tied, just like all forms of birth control. The goal is to not have a baby.

The "reason" for post conception birth control may vary, but I am not understanding your path of logic here. If I have a heart disease that will likely result in my death if I carry a pregnancy full term and my husband gets a vasectomy so that we don't have to worry about that but something doesn't work and I get pregnant anyway and abort that fetus to save my own life, it is STILL post conception birth control, isn't it?

I know more people who conceived babies while on some form of birth control than I do those who haven't.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

violetpretty - your "arguments" seem to be supporting my case, rather than refuting it. Not sure f that's your intention or not. I was using the stat more generous to the pro choicers to really say that any post conception birth control abortions are too many.

Um how? The bolded is where we disagree. I think women of every social class and age and in every state should be able to have an abortion for any reason at any time until viability free of harassment from protestors, biased counseling, parental notification, and mandatory waiting periods. Fewer restricitions and lower costs of EARLY abortions will eliminate/greatly reduce the need for LATE abortions, and if late abortions are needed for medical reasons, they can be performed at a safe reputable licensed regulated place.

ETA: When you said "too high" did you mean "too high" according to your moral beliefs or "too high" to be believable? At first I thought you meant the latter, but I am guessing now you meant the former.