Joining two sororities?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Not even hardly.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Well APO's cardinal principles are leadership, friendship and service, as well as having an open motto stating "be a friend, be a leader, be of service" so I don't see how taking up some of the mannerisms of an NPHC is violating that.

*goes back to own lane*

[GodlyAspiringDr]

I just busted out laughing at this!!!!

Originally Posted by Senusret I

[naraht]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Alpha Phi Omega's Cardinal Principles are Leadership, Friendship and Service. I don't see how any of the adopting any of the NPHC symbolism gets in the way of any of those. We had a Stepping demonstration at Alpha Phi Omega's last National Convention, we've had a hand sign more or less since founding in the 1920s (though I doubt it was "thrown"), there is no official nickname (like Fiji) for the fraternity, so using AyPhiQue rather than APO or APhiO isn't particularly odd. Yes, the chapters at HBCUs tend to order their pledge classes by height and call them lines, so? I've also been invited to Probate for the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard University.

Note, by the time that our primary founder had passed (in the late 1960s) we had more than a dozen chapters at HBCUs and not long after that we had one of the founders of the chapter at Howard University as our National President.

Please let me know which of this is *fake*.

I've been involved in some way with extension for Alpha Phi Omega for close to 20 years, you match the campus to the expected model for the extension group. A chapter from an extension at Virginia State University (Public, HBCU)*will* look more like Howard University or Norfolk State University than it will look like the chapter at University of Richmond (Private, HWI).

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

[BemoreLXA]

I didn't mean to single out APO, that was inappropriate. At my school, members of APO are fine, upstanding, individuals.

[BemoreLXA]

But in general, I feel a "fake" organization is one which goes against its values, thus thats my answer to Deamon

[33girl]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

But in general, I feel a "fake" organization is one which goes against its values, thus thats my answer to Deamon

As a college student at Boston University, Warren A. Cole (Boston 1912) founded Lambda Chi Alpha on November 2, 1909, with the expressed objective purpose of bringing about the association of college students of good moral character in the various collegiate institutions within the United States and Canada; to foster a high moral and spiritual standard of life based on Christian ideals; to promote honorable friendship; to cultivate intellectual excellence; to secure for members the greatest advantages in college life; to establish brotherly love, mutual aid, close personal connection between alumni, undergraduates and colleges; and, to bind them together for mutual pleasure and interest in college, as well as after life by testing each with courage, self-control, obedience, democracy, and courtesy toward all with whom they may come in contact.

So this means you're a fake brother, right?

[SMTTT]

[BemoreLXA]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So this means you're a fake brother, right?

No, not at all. I feel that I embody all of those aspects and personal attacks do little to bring me down. Regardless, I do have some problems with Warren A. Cole but I put those aside for the good he did for the fraternity

[BemoreLXA]

This discussion has been pretty de-railed since its an AKA forum, if it were in Greek Life or somewhere else I would continue but I don't want to bring down the AKA's board.

haha good discussion though!

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

This discussion has been pretty de-railed since its an AKA forum, if it were in Greek Life or somewhere else I would continue but I don't want to bring down the AKA's board.

haha good discussion though!

and thank you for thoughtfully answering the question.

Some people really do like to know what others are thinking!

[naraht]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

This discussion has been pretty de-railed since its an AKA forum, if it were in Greek Life or somewhere else I would continue but I don't want to bring down the AKA's board.

haha good discussion though!

The odd thing is in terms of swerving, that I completely missed which board it was on, which sort of answers one of the two questions I had, which was "Which NPHC sorority is under discussion?", the other is, of course, "Which school?"

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by naraht

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

That doesn't change the point I was making.