Joining two sororities?

[BemoreLXA]

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

And, for example, a whites only clause for organizations founded before the 1960s. Any organization that's equal opportunity these days is fake.

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by naraht

To be fair, at least one of the NPHC fraternities had a negro-only clause for membership when it was first founded...

That doesn't change the point I was making.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That doesn't change the point I was making.

Which was? Are you indicating that all of the fraternities that had some variety of rules limiting membership based on race, ethnicity or religion became fake when they removed them?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by naraht

Which was? Are you indicating that all of the fraternities that had some variety of rules limiting membership based on race, ethnicity or religion became fake when they removed them?

I was mocking BemoreLXA. According to him, GLOs become 'fake' when they stray from the founders' original vision. I brought up an extreme to show how faulty that statement was.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I was mocking BemoreLXA. According to him, GLOs become 'fake' when they stray from the founders' original vision. I brought up an extreme to show how faulty that statement was.

OK, missed the mock.

Seriously, I have no idea how many of the members of the NIC had *some* limitations to membership beyond gender at some point in their history. My guess is most of them.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Well APO's cardinal principles are leadership, friendship and service, as well as having an open motto stating "be a friend, be a leader, be of service" so I don't see how taking up some of the mannerisms of an NPHC is violating that.

*goes back to own lane*

[naraht]

Originally Posted by BemoreLXA

Deaemon,

I think an organization that ignores their stated purpose is fake. A real organization is true to the core values established by their founders. If a service organization behaves in a manner that's not consistent to the ideals set forth by their founding mothers and fathers, I would consider it fake (to an extent)

For example, a service org putting more importance on socials than philanthropy

Alpha Phi Omega's Cardinal Principles are Leadership, Friendship and Service. I don't see how any of the adopting any of the NPHC symbolism gets in the way of any of those. We had a Stepping demonstration at Alpha Phi Omega's last National Convention, we've had a hand sign more or less since founding in the 1920s (though I doubt it was "thrown"), there is no official nickname (like Fiji) for the fraternity, so using AyPhiQue rather than APO or APhiO isn't particularly odd. Yes, the chapters at HBCUs tend to order their pledge classes by height and call them lines, so? I've also been invited to Probate for the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Howard University.

Note, by the time that our primary founder had passed (in the late 1960s) we had more than a dozen chapters at HBCUs and not long after that we had one of the founders of the chapter at Howard University as our National President.

Please let me know which of this is *fake*.

I've been involved in some way with extension for Alpha Phi Omega for close to 20 years, you match the campus to the expected model for the extension group. A chapter from an extension at Virginia State University (Public, HBCU)*will* look more like Howard University or Norfolk State University than it will look like the chapter at University of Richmond (Private, HWI).