Who guarantees placement?

[carnation]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

I think part of the problem is many PNMs are able to drop the "weaker" houses after Open House set and still have a full schedule for the second set. Brutal cuts occur after that set, and when a PNM doesn't have any chapters remaining who have more forgiving return numbers because she dropped them after first round, her options are then greatly limited going forward.) Many others drop out before Preference because they don't like their invites.

I've seen a lot of that at big Southern schools because let's say that a school has 8 "big deal" groups, 4 medium ones, and 4 that a lot of PNMs won't consider.

After first parties, Patty PNM can go back to 8 and she picks the big 8. After second parties, they can go back to 4 but she's been cut by the Big 8--or most of them--but she has some re-invites by the No Way 4 that she cut earlier. A lot of these girls will drop if they have no Big 8s left.

The thing is that many of them would've considered the Medium 4 if they could still go back to them but they cut them the first day and the Mediums rarely re-invite anyone. This is why a lot of girls who are more heavily cut after first parties seem to like their recruitment results better...they kept their Medium 4 all the way through and are perfectly happy with their parties and bids.

Of course, this doesn't sound PC. However, that's what many Greek observers have noted since RFM came into effect.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by carnation

The thing is that many of them would've considered the Medium 4 if they could still go back to them but they cut them the first day and the Mediums rarely re-invite anyone.

Hence why we tell PNMs to keep an open mind.

All too often, PNMs focus on top groups, drop out after the Top cut them, and THEN realize that they would have been perfectly happy elsewhere. By then, it's too late (and you're looking at rushing as an upperclassman if you want to try again).

Also, PNMs don't get that at most schools, you will have a quality Greek experience at ANY chapter (like, you won't have any less fun at Medium because it's not Top).

[PhoenixAzul]

I really don't know how else we can reinforce to PNMs that the "best" sorority is YOUR sorority, the one you ended up in. Your sisters are always the "best" sisters.

Coming from a small chapter, I really don't know how to drill that into an 18 year old's brain.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by AOEforme

You advise at Carroll College? That's awesome! My cousins live one block from Carroll and my high school choir did a lot there. It's a very pretty college.

I don't believe any of the colleges I have connections at have guarenteed placement.

I remember that PHA at Wisconsin said it was "very likely" you would be matched if you filled out your card, but girls would still slip through with 3 preference parties, especially when some of the traditionally "lower tiered" groups began taking larger pledge classes than the "top" groups.

I don't directly advise.. I oversee at a higher level. I haven't had the opportunity to visit that campus yet, but hope to eventually! And, I misspoke, because they are Carroll University now

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by carnation

Of course, this doesn't sound PC. However, that's what many Greek observers have noted since RFM came into effect.

Lane swerve, but isn't RFM supposed to have most of the heavy cuts come early on, keeping chapters from leading PNMs on and giving them a more realistic look at the houses they could get a bid to? You may have said that, but I may have misunderstood (definitely not my territory).

In which case, does UT not use RFM?

Sorry for the confusion/lane swerve.

[carnation]

People talk like the killer cuts come after first parties. Seems like most of the killer cuts come after second parties, though, and by then the PNMs may have released a lot of groups they would've liked. When there are 18 groups and you get invitations back to, say, 15 for first parties and you have to cut down to 10 or 12, it's hard to choose.