Finally deciding to rush Fall 2011, need some advice.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

Eh, I've seen plenty of sorority women give advice on fraternity recruitment here before.

But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

[FleurGirl]

Originally Posted by twilightxox

So, the main thing I am worried about is if I am going to get a bid. I am at home taking a break from school, I'm taking classes to raise my GPA, but I will be considered a Sophomore. Is being an upperclassman really a big deal? I have a lot of community service experience, an amazing 'resume', and I like being part of something. I know a lot of girls in sororities who I am on very good terms with. Everyone always asks me why am I not in a sorority, even some of the girls in sororities tell me I should join and I would fit right in. For the girls I am not on good terms with, will that hurt my chances? Since I am taking a year off I have a lot of time to get myself together, raise my grades and clean up before returning, because I had a big party girl image during Freshmen year.

I wish I could tell you yes, you'll be fine, you'll get in, but I can't do that. Nobody knows how it's going to work out. I was in a similar position to you when I went through. I waited until sophomore year because I just wasn't ready as a freshman, but I did a bunch of other things that I think really helped me. There was one girl in particular who didn't like me in Kappa, and she was very, very vocal about it. However, if enough people see your good qualities, that one negative voice will probably not sink you -- it certainly wasn't an issue for me. The best advice I can give you at this point is to prepare yourself as much as possible and just RELAX. Think of this as a chance to meet people and make new friends and not an epic-end-all-break-all-pressure situation (if you're super stressed, it'll show)! It's normal to be nervous, but you aren't doing yourself any good worrying about the end result. Control the things that are in your control, and try not to worry about the things that aren't.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.

This 408 person is (was) Phi_Delta -- He's a big ol' stocking full o' Fail.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

This 408 person is (was) Phi_Delta -- He's a big ol' stocking full o' Fail.

Indeed, and I'm thinking "a big ol' stocking full o' Fail" is quote-worthy!

Starbucks and chocolate for k_s...

back to the topic.

[AZ-AlphaXi]

for those of us who are early to bed and late to rise ... thank you (KS and AZTheta my friend) for the QFPs

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...

95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."

How can a sorority woman tell a fraternity PNM his chances when fraternity rush can be drastically different campus to campus? At least with NPC rush, there's some level of normalcy across most campuses.

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

I just think, depending on the situation, both can give advice on each others rush to some extent.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

Except nobody actually made that statement. AF's statement doesn't really go that far -- it's an explanatory response to what you said:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

You're infering things people didn't actually say.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

How can a sorority woman tell a fraternity PNM his chances when fraternity rush can be drastically different campus to campus? At least with NPC rush, there's some level of normalcy across most campuses.

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

I just think, depending on the situation, both can give advice on each others rush to some extent.

The regular posters on this site don't tell fraternity aspirants their chances. The standard response is "Get to know the guys at your school." No one says "You'll have a better chance if you do X, Y, and Z." or "You'll be fine as a senior because I knew one senior once who was able to get a bid."

Originally Posted by Phi_Delta

right. If the thread starter was an PNM at my school I would be much more qualified to give her advice than Knight_Shadow.

You can assume, but until you are involved with sorority MS at your school, you really don't know. Plus, you have no idea which school the OP attends (it looks like she's since removed some identifying information).

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Phi_Delta

right. If the thread starter was a PNM at my school I would be much more qualified to give her advice than Knight_Shadow.

But unless she's stated it on here or told you privately, you don't KNOW that she is.

Therefore you should refrain from making blanket statements just because something happens to be true on YOUR campus. FWIW, the same is true on my campus, but I would never tell anyone "don't worry about it" but the fact is at many campuses being anything other than a first semester freshman can be a huge detriment. That doesn't mean it's right, but that's how things are.

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You're infering things people didn't actually say.

I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

No, you didn't. I brought it up in response to 408 lol Although, I said we should be deferring to the women on this site.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

Been there, done that many times.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

No, you didn't. I brought it up in response to 408 lol Although, I said we should be deferring to the women on this site.

Right. You didn't say "never."

Originally Posted by Phi_Delta

lol you did

Reading is fundamental:

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Excuse me, Mr. Flying Tiger. We don't appreciate male rushees coming on our recruitment threads offering advice to women when they obviously have no insight into the workings of formal recruitment! Keep to what you know...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Phi_Delta

poster implies that male rushees know nothing on recruitment on the basis of sexuality. This is a serious misconception.

Rushees PERIOD know nothing about recruitment/rush because they are still going through it.