Finally deciding to rush Fall 2011, need some advice.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

Eh, I've seen plenty of sorority women give advice on fraternity recruitment here before.

But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...

95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."

How can a sorority woman tell a fraternity PNM his chances when fraternity rush can be drastically different campus to campus? At least with NPC rush, there's some level of normalcy across most campuses.

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

I just think, depending on the situation, both can give advice on each others rush to some extent.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

Except nobody actually made that statement. AF's statement doesn't really go that far -- it's an explanatory response to what you said:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

You're infering things people didn't actually say.

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You're infering things people didn't actually say.

I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by lucgreek

I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

No, you didn't. I brought it up in response to 408 lol Although, I said we should be deferring to the women on this site.

[Lafayette79]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

Even though I am enjoying the Crazy Chase going on with the Man with Two Names, AlphaFrog's comment points out why I and a lot of the guys here, really enjoy the Sorority Recruitment stories. They are just so 'beyond our ken', that they facinate us, while our own stories are so boring in comparison. I was Rush Chair 3 times and the first thing that I did was to organize as many Sorority women as possible to show up. It was a very important part of our Rush. During Last Homecoming, a pledge brother was driving me around town and mentioned that his daughter was an Alpha Chi in one of those desert states and she told him how absolutely complicated Sorority Recruitment was, and I never would have believed him, except for what I have learned here.

For most of the year, and for many years after, sororities and fraternities live in our same special world, but during Rush/Recruitment, it's like Mars and Venus.

[AnchorAlumna]

*sigh* I am SO ready for another trainwreck thread. This had potential but.....

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

*sigh* I am SO ready for another trainwreck thread. This had potential but.....

The crazy with two names (and no period at the end of many sentences, dead giveaway, idjit) had no staying power. k_s dispatched it handily with one hand tied behind his back, blindfolded to boot. I was awake and watched it flail all over several threads to no avail. No trainwrecks until after the holidays, I predict. *yawn* I think it's time to go read a cookbook and get motivated.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

The crazy with two names (and no period at the end of many sentences, dead giveaway, idjit) had no staying power. k_s dispatched it handily with one hand tied behind his back, blindfolded to boot. I was awake and watched it flail all over several threads to no avail. No trainwrecks until after the holidays, I predict. *yawn* I think it's time to go read a cookbook and get motivated.

Oh, I don't know...you've got spring recruitment coming up at some schools...potentials at home, bored....collegiates at home, bored...something amusing should pop up!

[lucgreek]

Originally Posted by Lafayette79

I was Rush Chair 3 times and the first thing that I did was to organize as many Sorority women as possible to show up. It was a very important part of our Rush.

Goes to show how different campuses are. At my school, sorority women were not allowed to participate in fraternity recruitment in any way. The big concern was it would seem sorority XYZ was endorsing joining fraternity ABC over fraternities DEF and GHI.