The most weird or stupid news story you heard today.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I don't have a penis, but wouldn't it be worse to have the operation at 18?

YES it would, thats why it's done to infants and not children or adults.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Unless a man was circumcised as an adult and could compare his sex life in a before and after way, how would he know that he has reduced sensation due to circumcision?

You'd have to read their individual stories. Studies have been done with most finding no difference and some finding some differences. That's why I'm primarily talking without consideration of harm, and from a bodily autonomy perspective. Elective surgery on an infant, a large proportion of male infants in this country. Were it any other surgery we'd be giving it the side-eye, wouldn't we?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You'd have to read their individual stories. Studies have been done with most finding no difference and some finding some differences. That's why I'm primarily talking without consideration of harm, and from a bodily autonomy perspective. Elective surgery on an infant, a large proportion of male infants in this country. Were it any other surgery we'd be giving it the side-eye, wouldn't we?

Key word is elective. I'm going to assume that when the topic of circumcision is brought up the doctor explains to the parents the pros and cons of getting the procedure and then then the parents make the decision. I've never heard of a baby getting circumcised against the parents wishes.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Key word is elective. I'm going to assume that when the topic of circumcision is brought up the doctor explains to the parents the pros and cons of getting the procedure and then then the parents make the decision. I've never heard of a baby getting circumcised against the parents wishes.

I never suggested that, what you're missing though is that the infant doesn't get a voice because he's an infant. And although yes parents have the ability and responsibility to make that decision for their child it is still not comparable to any other procedure done with such frequency because there is no other elective surgery that is so common. Anything else I could suggest would be weird because there isn't a comparison. It's simply accepted. It became so popular in the US due to a combination of fear over germs - not so much due to actual infections, but because the penis was a dirty object that did dirty things - and a desire to decrease masturbation in boys.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I never suggested that, what you're missing though is that the infant doesn't get a voice because he's an infant.

Yes, parents worldwide have always made decisions that affect their baby/child's life because a baby/child isn't able to make or protest those decisions. Not just medical decisions but religion, lifestyle, etc. Do parents always make the right decisions? No, but thats life. I don't want to get into a infant's rights debate because it reminds me of that group filing lawsuits on behalf of pets claiming neutering/spaying and keeping them as pets is a violation of their rights.

My take on this issue is still the same. The procedure should be decided by the parents, not the government. I would also be opposed to a law mandating that all males be circumcised as well. If you feel that the procedure is unnecessary or archaic (as some people do) than don't get it done to your child.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Yes, parents worldwide have always made decisions that affect their baby/child's life because a baby/child isn't able to make or protest those decisions. Not just medical decisions but religion, lifestyle, etc. Do parents always make the right decisions? No, but thats life. I don't want to get into a infant's rights debate because it reminds me of that group filing lawsuits on behalf of pets claiming neutering/spaying and keeping them as pets is a violation of their rights.

My take on this issue is still the same. The procedure should be decided by the parents, not the government. I would also be opposed to a law mandating that all males be circumcised as well. If you feel that the procedure is unnecessary or archaic (as some people do) than don't get it done to your child.

I get that, I simply put the point out there because it is as unique as it is. I don't think a law is the right way to go either, but I think society should deemphasize and discourage them.

Also, comparing infants to pets is incredibly ridiculous. People have rights by virtue of being people, infant or otherwise. Of course parents have the right and responsibility to make decisions for their children, I just find it interesting that there is nothing else comparable to circumcision in our society and yet we generally accept it without much of a second thought.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

YES it would, thats why it's done to infants and not children or adults.

LOL -- my thoughts exactly.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

YES it would, thats why it's done to infants and not children or adults.

In some countries and with some religions...some boys and girls are circumcised when they "come of age", publicly, and with no anesthetic.

[DrPhil]

I know American parents who didn't circumcise their babies because they wanted them to make the decision themselves as grown men. Fast forward 20 or so years and the young men supposedly became more knowledgable about the cons of not being circumcised and underwent the PAINFUL circumcision of a grown man's penis. They probably cussed their parents out for that. LOL.

[PiKA2001]

New Atheist Billboard Up in New Jersey

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-521921?hpt=Sbin

I never understood why Atheists have to "proselytize". They might as well be considered an actual religion.

[honeychile]

This one probably won't make the national news, although the sheer stupidity of it might make it newsworthy.

At California University of Pennsylvania, two students called the police because they were the victims of a home invasion. The police came and asked the students what was missing. Their pot had been stolen. No arrests yet, but the "victims" are being asked to come to the police station for some further questioning.

[honeychile]

Woman Wears Bikini Through LAX Airport Security

My only thought is that, for most women, wearing a bikini ANYWHERE could be considered an act of terrorism!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by honeychile

This one probably won't make the national news, although the sheer stupidity of it might make it newsworthy.

At California University of Pennsylvania, two students called the police because they were the victims of a home invasion. The police came and asked the students what was missing. Their pot had been stolen. No arrests yet, but the "victims" are being asked to come to the police station for some further questioning.

That reminds me of something similar in my home town a few years back. A guy called in a maintenance call for his apartment. The ceiling was falling in because he had converted it into a grow house, with lights and everything. The super showed up, saw the pot and called the cops.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by honeychile

This one probably won't make the national news, although the sheer stupidity of it might make it newsworthy.

At California University of Pennsylvania, two students called the police because they were the victims of a home invasion. The police came and asked the students what was missing. Their pot had been stolen. No arrests yet, but the "victims" are being asked to come to the police station for some further questioning.

I heard a news story last week about a man who called the police to report that the prostitute he hired had stolen his wallet. The man WAS arrested and charged for solicitation of a prostitute.

[DaemonSeid]

The Law finally catches up to Lando Calrissian