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11-17-2010, 01:56 PM
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We're one step closer to Charles never being king. I'd say you heard it here first, but I heard it when a psychic was on Oprah YEARS ago when Di was pregnant the first time.
Oh, and in case you're wondering, she said William will be a great king.
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I admit I'm not an expert on the British Monarchy, but how is this getting closer to Charles not being King?
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11-17-2010, 02:00 PM
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I admit I'm not an expert on the British Monarchy, but how is this getting closer to Charles not being King?
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Because theoretically William now has a "suitable" spouse and QEII would feel comfortable excluding him (the technical term) because of his divorce.
Not gonna happen.
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11-17-2010, 02:24 PM
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Because theoretically William now has a "suitable" spouse and QEII would feel comfortable excluding him (the technical term) because of his divorce.
Not gonna happen.
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I just wikied for the Hell of it, and it seems that while Camilla would legally be queen if Charles ascends, it's commonly known that she will be styled as Princess Consort.
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11-17-2010, 03:06 PM
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Had a long post, but it didn't post right. Oh well. Nevermind.
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^I'm fairly certain (without looking it up) that Camilla gave up the possibility of being Queen as part of the pre-nup. Probably the same article you read.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall but never Queen Camilla ;Charles excited...boys delighted; ROYAL WEDDING.
Byline: ROB SINGH
CAMILLA Parker Bowles is to be known as HRH the Duchess of Cornwall The Duchess of Cornwall is the title held by the wife of the Duke of Cornwall. Duke of Cornwall is a non-hereditary peerage held by the British Sovereign's eldest son and heir. once she marries Prince Charles - and will never be known as Queen.
When Charles accedes to the throne she will be known as Princess Consort.
The move to allow Charles to be King without his wife being Queen will have to be approved by a special Act of Parliament passed when he takes the throne.
The Queen approved her new daughter-in-law taking the style Her Royal Highness, making her the second most senior royal woman after the Queen.
But the option, which was technically available, of being Princess of WalesNoun 1. Princess of Wales - English aristocrat who was the first wife of Prince Charles; her death in an automobile accident in Paris produced intense national mourning (1961-1997)
Diana, Lady Diana Frances Spencer, Princess Diana
..... Click the link for more information., was never seriously considered.
"Legally she is to be the Princess of Wales but she has chosen not to use that title," said a senior royal aide."
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11-17-2010, 03:21 PM
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^I'm fairly certain (without looking it up) that Camilla gave up the possibility of being Queen as part of the pre-nup. Probably the same article you read.
Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Cornwall but never Queen Camilla ;Charles excited...boys delighted; ROYAL WEDDING.
Byline: ROB SINGH
CAMILLA Parker Bowles is to be known as HRH the Duchess of Cornwall The Duchess of Cornwall is the title held by the wife of the Duke of Cornwall. Duke of Cornwall is a non-hereditary peerage held by the British Sovereign's eldest son and heir. once she marries Prince Charles - and will never be known as Queen.
When Charles accedes to the throne she will be known as Princess Consort.
The move to allow Charles to be King without his wife being Queen will have to be approved by a special Act of Parliament passed when he takes the throne.
The Queen approved her new daughter-in-law taking the style Her Royal Highness, making her the second most senior royal woman after the Queen.
But the option, which was technically available, of being Princess of WalesNoun 1. Princess of Wales - English aristocrat who was the first wife of Prince Charles; her death in an automobile accident in Paris produced intense national mourning (1961-1997)
Diana, Lady Diana Frances Spencer, Princess Diana
..... Click the link for more information., was never seriously considered.
"Legally she is to be the Princess of Wales but she has chosen not to use that title," said a senior royal aide." |
Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status. I know that Camilla didn't take the "Princess of Wales" title because the UK would have thrown a fit, and she knew they would. They still revere Di. (As do I. She and Philip were married on my first birthday!)
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11-17-2010, 03:34 PM
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Fixed your post for you. 
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Originally Posted by 33girl
Because theoretically William now has a "suitable" spouse and QEII would feel comfortable excluding him (the technical term) because of his divorce.
Not gonna happen.
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Agreed, though I predict a relatively short reign for Charles, like Edward VII.
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Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status.
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Even with the Queen, Prince Phillip has no "monarch status."
There are two kinds of Queen in British law -- a queen regnant and a queen consort. A queen regnant is a sovereign in her own right; she is in effect a female king. A queen consort is the wife of a king, whose status is totally dependent on the status of her husband and who has no status of sovereign. (When the king dies, a queen consort is referred to as a queen doweger and, if mother of the current monarch by children from the marriage with the king, is "the Queen Mother.")
By contrast there is only one kind of king -- a king regnant or sovereign. Husbands of queens regnant are never styled as "kings"; they are prince consorts, like Prince Phillip, Prince Albert (Queen Victoria's husband) and Prince George (Queen Anne's husband).
The one exception to this has been William and Mary, both of whom were invited by Parliament to exercise coregnancy. That's why she was a Queen Regnant rather than a Queen Consort.
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11-17-2010, 03:35 PM
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Yes, but the current "King" (Philip) is not a King at all; he is Prince Consort. And I don't think that he gave up the name in a pre-nup. His is a case of not being a King by himself, needing the Queen to have any sort of monarch status. I know that Camilla didn't take the "Princess of Wales" title because the UK would have thrown a fit, and she knew they would. They still revere Di. (As do I. She and Philip were married on my first birthday!)
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Philip is a Prince, not a consort. He is not King because QEII is the one royal blood, and her husband can't have a higher title than her. King is higher than Queen.
ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time. I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.
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11-17-2010, 03:45 PM
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King is higher than Queen.
ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time.
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Right.  But to be clear, King is not necessarily higher than Queen. Queen regnant = king. Queen consort < king.
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I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.
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Is there a typo here? Philip is a prince consort.
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11-17-2010, 03:57 PM
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[QUOTE=MysticCat;2004311]Fixed your post for you.
Agreed, though I predict a relatively short reign for Charles, like Edward VII.
Even with the Queen, Prince Phillip has no "monarch status."
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You're right, I just used the wrong word for what I meant. I just kinda meant the monarchy in general (which is used by many to represent the UK Royal Family, if technically incorrect) instead of the actual "Monarch". But yes, you're right.
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Philip is a Prince, not a consort. He is not King because QEII is the one royal blood, and her husband can't have a higher title than her. King is higher than Queen.
ETA: MC and I were typing at the same time. I've read that Philip is not considered a consort because they are religiously and civilly married, while Charles and Camilla are only civilly married.
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No. He is a Prince Consort. In fact, he could be a King Consort if he wanted to; neither of those have any "royalty" attached to it. It's just a name. Both the same and up to royal discretion. When you say that King is higher than Queen, this isn't a game of cards. It's much more complicated than that.
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