2010 Midterm Elections Thread

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

A family does not make 9$ an hour.

A person does.

On the contrary,
9$ is 360 dollars a week. 18, 720 a year. The per capita income in my town is 15,000, the median income for males is 28k, and the median income for women is 21 k. So I guess roughly 40% of females "can't live".

Plenty do live on that amount of cash. Now if the government would remove themselves from our wallet, 18,720 would be a fairly easy existence. Unfortunately it does not do this.

If the per capita income is $15K and the medians for males and females are higher than that then it stands to reason that you're including kids in there somewhere. And yes, I'd wager a guess that 40% of the females are the second income in two income families and would have a hard time making it without the other income.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

If the per capita income is $15K and the medians for males and females are higher than that then it stands to reason that you're including kids in there somewhere. And yes, I'd wager a guess that 40% of the females are the second income in two income families and would have a hard time making it without the other income.

And don't forget that once both of you work the kids need day care. My aunt - an RN - went back and forth about working while her kids were young because she wanted to get out of the house, but 100% of her paycheck went to daycare. It just wasn't worth it.

[PiKA2001]

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...ed_20100923_dk

Just so no one can claim that my anecdote about drinking on the job is "opinion".

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news...ed_20100923_dk

Just so no one can claim that my anecdote about drinking on the job is "opinion".

So, are you extrapolating one incident to the whole and assuming this is how all union jobs are or not? That's the opinion part. Read the whole thing before "replying."

Knowing one person defrauds medicaid doesn't mean everyone or even most people are. Same principle.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So, are you extrapolating one incident to the whole and assuming this is how all union jobs are or not? That's the opinion part. Read the whole thing before "replying."

Uh NO. I posted that link to show that it happens, and that I wasn't pulling shit out of thin air.

I never said that ALL unions were "bad", but I do believe that some have overstepped their original purposes and have hindered non union folks or people not lucky enough to have a "in" find decent work. I'm a union employee myself, and while the union that represents me is good in the sense that it doesn't use bully tactics, i know that not all unions are like mine. Judging from your posts, you aren't from a union town because if you were you'd know that in some professions you have to be union in order to land a job that profession. I'm sure you've heard the term scab before right? Seriously though, try getting a decent contract or job as an electrician in Detroit without belonging to the IBEW...ain't gonna happen.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Uh NO. I posted that link to show that it happens, and that I wasn't pulling shit out of thin air.

I don't think anyone said that you were.

I never said that ALL unions were "bad", but I do believe that some have overstepped their original purposes and have hindered non union folks or people not lucky enough to have a "in" find decent work. I'm a union employee myself, and while the union that represents me is good in the sense that it doesn't use bully tactics, i know that not all unions are like mine. Judging from your posts, you aren't from a union town because if you were you'd know that in some professions you have to be union in order to land a job that profession. I'm sure you've heard the term scab before right? Seriously though, try getting a decent contract or job as an electrician in Detroit without belonging to the IBEW...ain't gonna happen.

I'm fully aware of how union professions work and why they work that way. I'm simply not talking about any particular profession, union, or job. You seem to be assuming a lot of things I'm not saying at all.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Uh NO. I posted that link to show that it happens, and that I wasn't pulling shit out of thin air.

I didn't look at the link, but since it said Detroit I'll assume it wasn't talking about the NUMMI plant in California.

That place was absolutely miserable. They had union workers intentionally dropping bolts into sensitive places in the cars so that it would stop the line. If those bolts weren't found, they could have meant death for the driver. They just didn't want to work, so they thought that was a good idea.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I don't think anyone said that you were.



I'm fully aware of how union professions work and why they work that way. I'm simply not talking about any particular profession, union, or job. You seem to be assuming a lot of things I'm not saying at all.

I think he may have been referring to srmom's post about getting roofers standing outside of Home Depot. That wouldn't happen here. Besides, the Canadians have it so good up there that they surely aren't trying to cross the border as illegal immigrants to get work!

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I didn't look at the link, but since it said Detroit I'll assume it wasn't talking about the NUMMI plant in California.

That place was absolutely miserable. They had union workers intentionally dropping bolts into sensitive places in the cars so that it would stop the line. If those bolts weren't found, they could have meant death for the driver. They just didn't want to work, so they thought that was a good idea.

They say never to buy a car that was built on a Friday

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think he may have been referring to srmom's post about getting roofers standing outside of Home Depot. That wouldn't happen here. Besides, the Canadians have it so good up there that they surely aren't trying to cross the border as illegal immigrants to get work!

Sharon Angle would disagree!

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Sharon Angle would disagree!

We actually have a lot of Canadians working in the health system where I work.... legally, in professional jobs like nursing! Come to think of it, our Lame Duck Governor is a Canadian by birth. Oh wait, she's here legally too.

And, I realized that I have to take back everything I said about $9/hr being a livable wage. My daughter is making about that babysitting, 4 hours a week, and is no longer asking me for money for the movies or taco bell. Hmm, I'm still covering her utilities, phone bill, housing, food and medical expenses though.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

We actually have a lot of Canadians working in the health system where I work.... legally, in professional jobs like nursing! Come to think of it, our Lame Duck Governor is a Canadian by birth. Oh wait, she's here legally too.

And, I realized that I have to take back everything I said about $9/hr being a livable wage. My daughter is making about that babysitting, 4 hours a week, and is no longer asking me for money for the movies or taco bell. Hmm, I'm still covering her utilities, phone bill, housing, food and medical expenses though.

She'd be fine I'm sure. Stop coddling her!