Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The chapter did have security at the party. That's a nice letter that Smith wrote.

There are some things about the tone of his article. I did chuckle at "I'm a nice guy" as though that prevents being a homophobe. Also, saying things because you're angry and/or drunk doesn't make someone not a potential homophobe.

I'm also amused by the "drunk frat guy with too much testosterone." Oh how heteromasculinity amuses me.

He shouldn't have written the letter. As Kevin said, dealing with the media is better left to someone other than the person involved, and probably to an actual adult. There's even more "he said/he said" now, and as Kevin pointed out, both parties have a motivation to lie/embellish/omit.

Were there some homophobic slurs used? I believe it. Was it as dramatic as Wizard-kid described? I doubt it. I'm glad that Smith did acknowledge the stupidity of the incident, but he loses points for IMO leaving a few details out. Which is why it shouldn't be him addressing the media.

[nittanygirl]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

There's even more "he said/he said" now, and as Kevin pointed out, both parties have a motivation to lie/embellish/omit.

That's exactly what this is. He said/he said. We, who were not there, have no way of knowing the truth of what happened. This whole thing could have been blown out of proportion.
Gay kid gets thrown out of a party he wasn't invited to? Great way to get attention is to say it was because he was gay.
Fraternity boy actually does make gay-hate remarks? Cover it up by lying.

We have no way of knowing what actually happened. Either story could be plausible.

My thought is, if you don't want someone in your party, don't let them in the door in the first place.

[lucgreek]

Coming from a media background, I think it was very bad form, bordering unethical, to publish his name without knowing the other side of the story. There were no charges filed, no police called and no arrests made.

The name of the accuser should have been published. If you're not going to pursue criminal charges, it's not fair to hide behind a veil of anonymity and hurl accusations out.

Like I've said before, both parties are in the wrong, the fraternity alum more so for turning the altercation physical. But from the information that has been revealed, it seems like it was just a case of drunk kids being drunk.

[33girl]

I chuckled at the fact that his name is Adam Smith.

Guest lists help, but not always. If this had been a guest list party, and the wizard kid would have crashed it and they threw him out, most likely the results would have been the same. Outsiders (including the police) don't care and don't understand that guest lists are a RM precaution. They see it as another example of Greek snobbery/elitism.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

He shouldn't have written the letter. As Kevin said, dealing with the media is better left to someone other than the person involved, and probably to an actual adult. There's even more "he said/he said" now, and as Kevin pointed out, both parties have a motivation to lie/embellish/omit.

Were there some homophobic slurs used? I believe it. Was it as dramatic as Wizard-kid described? I doubt it. I'm glad that Smith did acknowledge the stupidity of the incident, but he loses points for IMO leaving a few details out. Which is why it shouldn't be him addressing the media.

These aren't actual adults? The '10 alum in question is probably 21 or older.

In reading the article, it looks like there's a consensus about the assault and slurs that were used. The disagreement is over why it happened and whether it was somewhat justified.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

These aren't actual adults? The '10 alum in question is probably 21 or older.

In reading the article, it looks like there's a consensus about the assault and slurs that were used. The disagreement is over why it happened and whether it was somewhat justified.

I didn't realize he was an alum, but that still doesn't mean he behaves like an adult. Whether you think he should or not. I know plenty of people my age still in school/just out that haven't yet made the transition from "college kid" to "adult". Not that I'm oh-so-mature at all times, but you get the picture.

I don't think there is a consensus because the article takes Wizard-kid and friend's word and Adam Smith gives his own account, and like Kevin said, both of these parties have a motivation to twist things. The one thing the two accounts do agree on is that the physical assault happened, and it shouldn't have. It's he said/he said and we're just left to draw our own conclusions.

Who thinks it's justified?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I didn't realize he was an alum, but that still doesn't mean he behaves like an adult. Whether you think he should or not. I know plenty of people my age still in school/just out that haven't yet made the transition from "college kid" to "adult". Not that I'm oh-so-mature at all times, but you get the picture.

I don't get the picture. He is an "actual adult."

Coddling college students (those who are not only over 18 but no longer have "teen" at the end of their age) and alum as not "actual adults" does a huge disservice to higher education and Greek Life.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I don't think there is a consensus because the article takes Wizard-kid and friend's word and Adam Smith gives his own account, and like Kevin said, both of these parties have a motivation to twist things. The one thing the two accounts do agree on is that the physical assault happened, and it shouldn't have. It's he said/he said and we're just left to draw our own conclusions.

Who thinks it's justified?

From the article:

Guy's statement:
“This guy approached me and asked why I was wearing my hat. ... I said that I like the hat, just as you like your pink shirt. He then asked me if I was gay, and I said I was. He then started choking me with his elbow and put me into a head lock, and he dragged me out of the party by my neck.”

After the student was allegedly dragged the approximately 10 to 15 feet from the house’s common area to the door and thrown onto the front lawn, Smith was overheard telling other attendees “Hey, this kid’s a f****t.”

Adam Smith's statement:
"This kid was at the party, and was acting kind of ridiculous. I went over, took his hat and started dancing around," he said.

Smith then said he asked the student: "Why are you wearing this gay ass hat?" According to Smith, the student replied that it was for the "same reason you're wearing your pink shirt."

Smith said that he then asked if the student was implying that he (Smith) was "f***ing gay or something." Hearing an affirmative reaction, Smith then admitted to putting him in a head lock and ejecting him from the party.

I see an agreement that an assault happened and heterocentric language that is essentially gay bashing was used. The slightly different story that Adam Smith tells is that of why it happened and whether the student did anything to precipitate it (i.e. whether the actions aren't completely Smith's fault because they make a grain of sense despite being wrong----essentially what sigmadiva is arguing).

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't get the picture. He is an "actual adult."

Coddling college students (those who are not only over 18 but no longer have "teen" at the end of their age) and alum as not "actual adults" does a huge disservice to higher education and Greek Life.




From the article:

Guy's statement:
“This guy approached me and asked why I was wearing my hat. ... I said that I like the hat, just as you like your pink shirt. He then asked me if I was gay, and I said I was. He then started choking me with his elbow and put me into a head lock, and he dragged me out of the party by my neck.”

After the student was allegedly dragged the approximately 10 to 15 feet from the house’s common area to the door and thrown onto the front lawn, Smith was overheard telling other attendees “Hey, this kid’s a f****t.”

Adam Smith's statement:
"This kid was at the party, and was acting kind of ridiculous. I went over, took his hat and started dancing around," he said.

Smith then said he asked the student: "Why are you wearing this gay ass hat?" According to Smith, the student replied that it was for the "same reason you're wearing your pink shirt."

Smith said that he then asked if the student was implying that he (Smith) was "f***ing gay or something." Hearing an affirmative reaction, Smith then admitted to putting him in a head lock and ejecting him from the party.

I see an agreement that an assault happened and heterocentric language that is essentially gay bashing was used. The slightly different story that Adam Smith tells is that of why it happened and whether the student did anything to precipitate it (i.e. whether the actions aren't completely Smith's fault because they make a grain of sense despite being wrong----essentially what sigmadiva is arguing).

There's the way you think/want things to be and the way they are (in regards to college students making adult decisions.) Some are capable of it at 18, some aren't.