Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No.

She is never responsible for being raped.

Never.

NEVER FUCKING EVER.

The "sympathy" she gets should NEVER be based on what she was wearing and where she was. What the fucking hell.

On the bright side, this "BE CAREFUL!" attitude has been submarining rape prosecution for well over 50 years now, so that's nice. God bless high-level cognitive dissonance.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

On the bright side, this "BE CAREFUL!" attitude has been submarining rape prosecution for well over 50 years now, so that's nice. God bless high-level cognitive dissonance.

Lets be honest, 50 years ago she was "asking for it" too.

Also she was married so if it's her husband it can never be rape.

/rage

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

She is never responsible for being raped.

I don't think the poster said anything to that effect.

One must make good choices in order to prevent bad things from happening, however.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

One must make good choices in order to prevent bad things from happening, however.

This is great as a platitude (and probably a good way to live your life), but it implicitly draws a proximate causal link between "passing out on the couch" and "dude raping you" when applied to the specific situation, which is clearly not your intention.

I'm sure women who pass out at parties are more likely to be raped. That's because rape is largely a crime of opportunity (like nearly every crime), and not because of the bad decisions made by the woman. The causal link runs the opposite direction of the platitude.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No.

She is never responsible for being raped.

Never.

NEVER FUCKING EVER.

The "sympathy" she gets should NEVER be based on what she was wearing and where she was. What the fucking hell.

Honestly, that is how I feel. Yes, I'd feel bad for the girl, but at the same time I'd shake my head and ask 'what was she thinking??'


No, it is never right for anyone, male or female, to get raped for any reason under any circumstance. That is why use of good common sense on a situation is prudent. You just don't have to put yourself in certain situations.


But then, I think I know where you are coming from Drole - do what ever the hell you please, and if you get in trouble, blame someone else. I guess you, Drole, feel that people don't have to take responsibility for their own actions - it is always someone else's fault.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Honestly, that is how I feel. Yes, I'd feel bad for the girl, but at the same time I'd shake my head and ask 'what was she thinking??'


No, it is never right for anyone, male or female, to get raped for any reason under any circumstance. That is why use of good common sense on a situation is prudent. You just don't have to put yourself in certain situations.


But then, I think I know where you are coming from Drole - do what ever the hell you please, and if you get in trouble, blame someone else. I guess you, Drole, feel that people don't have to take responsibility for their own actions - it is always someone else's fault.

It's always someone else's fault, meaning, like, the perpetrator's fault, that they raped someone?

Sounds about right to me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He chose to go to a party at an off-campus fraternity house with some friends.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He knew his friends who were at the party. The article didn't paint him as some stray who wandered off the street.

This is what I stated.

LOL. I don't know why "innocent" has anything to do with this topic.

What sigmadiva is contending is that he had to know what he was getting himself into because he absolutely had to know that this was a heteromasculine frat boy party where wizard hats and gay dudes would not only raise eyebrows but result in an assault and gay slurs. That's silly.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is what I stated.

LOL. I don't know why "innocent" has anything to do with this topic.

What sigmadiva is contending is that he had to know what he was getting himself into because he absolutely had to know that this was a heteromasculine frat boy party where wizard hats and gay dudes would not only raise eyebrows but result in an assault and gay slurs. That's silly.

Yup. He went to the party. A party he did not have to go to. He went to a party hosted by people who tend to have a certain opinion about sexual orientations.

When I was an undergrad at TAMU, I did not know about every NIC/IFC fraternity, but just by being on campus and interacting with some of the members and their associates in classes and thorough different orgs and friends, I picked the 'vibe' on a few of them.

I knew the ones that I could be cool with and hang out with them, and I knew the ones who were okay, but I dare not go out to their fraternity house for a party.