Texas A&M Recruitment...as a junior?

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by amperches

I was uncomfortable in the house from day one. The sister who picked me up at the door seemed uninterested in telling me about her sorority, and when I would ask questions, she would not give me a clear answer or would deviate from my question completely. Later in the week, when I went back for Pref Night, I had expressed that I had found my home elsewhere. The sister with whom I was talking told me that she thought that was wonderful and that she wasn't going to try and force her sorority on me now because I had already found a home elsewhere. She also said that many of the girls they asked back were asked back to fill quota (apparently they never fill theirs). I thought that being energetic about one's sorority and trying to gain new members was what rush was all about. The fact that the sisters I spoke with were disinterested in their sorority turned me off from it and the fact that I was asked back only to fill quota, not because they truly wanted me, both angered and hurt me. I do not want to be a part of something due to numbers. I want to be with sisters who truly want me there and really care about me as a person, not as a number.

One thing I never understood was why chapters had to have everyone who came to their pref party somewhere on their bid list. Would someone explain this? If someone had come to ABC's pref and said I don't want to be here I want to be with XYZ. I think ABC should be allowed not to even list them on their bid list. I know you could list them at the very end of your list, but there is always a chance that they still end up on ABC's bid list.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Mevara

One thing I never understood was why chapters had to have everyone who came to their pref party somewhere on their bid list. Would someone explain this? If someone had come to ABC's pref and said I don't want to be here I want to be with XYZ. I think ABC should be allowed not to even list them on their bid list. I know you could list them at the very end of your list, but there is always a chance that they still end up on ABC's bid list.

It's part of "the rules" about when bid lists are submitted. Most chapters are not amending them after pref starts. If the PNM really feels that way she can decline the bid.

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's part of "the rules" about when bid lists are submitted. Most chapters are not amending them after pref starts. If the PNM really feels that way she can decline the bid.

I know its part of the rules, but I was wondering if someone knew the reasoning behind it? Personally I think its a silly rule.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Mevara

I know its part of the rules, but I was wondering if someone knew the reasoning behind it? Personally I think its a silly rule.

Well, it's an NPC agreement which means that at least a majority of the NPC members agreed on it. (not sure if it's unanimous or not) Reasons behind it? It means that bid matching can begin immediately after pref without waiting for MS. It means that pref is more about the actives impressing the PNMs than vice versa, and it means the sororities will not invite PNMs back that they don't intend to keep. Those are the reasons i see, I don't know if there's anything else involved.

I'd think the occasions are very few where a chapter would dramatically change its mind about a PNM during pref.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Mevara

One thing I never understood was why chapters had to have everyone who came to their pref party somewhere on their bid list. Would someone explain this? If someone had come to ABC's pref and said I don't want to be here I want to be with XYZ. I think ABC should be allowed not to even list them on their bid list. I know you could list them at the very end of your list, but there is always a chance that they still end up on ABC's bid list.

Some sororities/chapters are at schools where rush is far more casual, pref is the ONLY invitational party (i.e. sororities are not allowed to cut ANYONE before pref) and I highly doubt that everyone who is invited to that party HAS to be on a chapter's bid list. I'm not sure where "this is a rule like sorority members have to be enrolled at the school they're rushing at" came from.

pabeta: Another rushee might look at this thread in a year and see your bad advice and think she'll be fine rushing as a junior. So yes, it DOES matter to more people than the OP.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Some sororities/chapters are at schools where rush is far more casual, pref is the ONLY invitational party (i.e. sororities are not allowed to cut ANYONE before pref) and I highly doubt that everyone who is invited to that party HAS to be on a chapter's bid list. I'm not sure where "this is a rule like sorority members have to be enrolled at the school they're rushing at" came from.

It's in the Green book actually. And a hard and fast rule:

Resolved (2005), That the NPC reaffirms that a fraternity should be willing to issue an invitation to membership to any woman who is invited and attends its Preference event.
Resolved (2005), That NPC reaffirms that the name of every woman whom a fraternity invites to attend and who attends that fraternity’s Preference event should appear on the fraternity’s bid list.

Repeated several times, assigning responsibility to the recruitment chairman to ensure that this is the case, etc. It seems that any time there are preference events and bid lists these must occur and that includes Partially Structured where Pref may be the only invitational. In that case it's not much different from COBs... you just don't invite anyone to the last event who you don't want to bid.

[33girl]

I read it differently, rather that a "preference event" seems like a very fluid concept that a school can define however they want.

If it's a situation where, as I said, preference is the FIRST AND ONLY time where you can cut anyone and ergo there's been no mutual selection process up until then, and RFM obviously is nonexistent, I don't see how ANY sorority in that situation could be expected to be that much of a mindreader. Either you 1) invite only your favorites [from, usually at the most, an informational and one party] to pref and hope to God that they all like you too or 2) cover your ass and invite everyone.

It just seems kind of asinine for NPC to advocate these different recruitment styles and then pass a rule that would be difficult to follow if you're using anything other than formal rush.

I mean, I went to 5 pref parties. I seriously doubt that I was on 5 bid lists.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I read it differently, rather that a "preference event" seems like a very fluid concept that a school can define however they want.

If it's a situation where, as I said, preference is the FIRST AND ONLY time where you can cut anyone and ergo there's been no mutual selection process up until then, and RFM obviously is nonexistent, I don't see how ANY sorority in that situation could be expected to be that much of a mindreader. Either you 1) invite only your favorites [from, usually at the most, an informational and one party] to pref and hope to God that they all like you too or 2) cover your ass and invite everyone.

It just seems kind of asinine for NPC to advocate these different recruitment styles and then pass a rule that would be difficult to follow if you're using anything other than formal rush.

I mean, I went to 5 pref parties. I seriously doubt that I was on 5 bid lists.

The guide describes what a preference event is too actually. It's fairly comprehensive. If it's a minimally structured recruitment without bid lists it's probably not an issue. If it's partially structured it is.

Check your HQ website for a copy and look it up. I know you're incredulous about it, but the reason why it's being treated like a "rule" is because it is one. And it's one that's mentioned easily a dozen times.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The guide describes what a preference event is too actually. It's fairly comprehensive. If it's a minimally structured recruitment without bid lists it's probably not an issue. If it's partially structured it is.

Check your HQ website for a copy and look it up. I know you're incredulous about it, but the reason why it's being treated like a "rule" is because it is one. And it's one that's mentioned easily a dozen times.

Why on earth would we have a copy of the Green Book on our website?

Is it on the NPC site? If so, just give me a link.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Why on earth would we have a copy of the Green Book on our website?

Is it on the NPC site? If so, just give me a link.

SK does, on the sisters only site. Don't know if the MOI is on the NPC website. They probably charge for it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Why on earth would we have a copy of the Green Book on our website?

Is it on the NPC site? If so, just give me a link.

What VP said. Our chapters have to have at least one physical copy but we have it available for reference online.