Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

ETA: As well as a "birther" sponsored bill that would require all candidates to prove citizenship.

Say what you want about the origins of the bill but I don't see any problem with a bill proposing that elected officials prove that they are eligible for public office.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Say what you want about the origins of the bill but I don't see any problem with a bill proposing that elected officials prove that they are eligible for public office.

Pika...ask this...how long and under what circumstances did it take for legislators to all of a sudden decide that this was needed?

So what if we go back about 200 years and find out that a senator was born in say....Cuba.

(just off the cuff someone can investigate that if they want)

Does that invalidate their service?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Pika...ask this...how long and under what circumstances did it take for legislators to all of a sudden decide that this was needed?

So what if we go back about 200 years and find out that a senator was born in say....Cuba.

(just off the cuff someone can investigate that if they want)

Does that invalidate their service?

No it doesn't, and AFAIK one does not need to be born in the U.S. to be a senator or a governor, they can be naturalized ( Granholm and Arnold come to mind). Like I said, say what you want about the origins of the bill (birther movement) but I personally don't see how candidates having to prove themselves to be eligible for office is a bad thing. I'm also talking eligible in the broad sense, not just checking their birth certificate.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

No it doesn't, and AFAIK one does not need to be born in the U.S. to be a senator or a governor, they can be naturalized ( Granholm and Arnold come to mind). Like I said, say what you want about the origins of the bill (birther movement) but I personally don't see how candidates having to prove themselves to be eligible for office is a bad thing. I'm also talking eligible in the broad sense, not just checking their birth certificate.

But giving that power to elected officials in the states is of questionable benefit. Obama, for example, was born in Hawaii, is at least 35 (birthday's tomorrow apparently) and has lived in the US for at least 14 years. What do you do when some elected officials deny that despite evidence?

John McCain was born in Panama to 2 Americans - and had his status as natural born confirmed by Congress- is at least 35 and has lived here for at least 14 years.

Just because there's not a formal process, there are multiple vetting processes among Congress, the parties, the electors, the press, security clearance, etc.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But giving that power to elected officials in the states is of questionable benefit. Obama, for example, was born in Hawaii, is at least 35 (birthday's tomorrow apparently) and has lived in the US for at least 14 years. What do you do when some elected officials deny that despite evidence?

John McCain was born in Panama to 2 Americans - and had his status as natural born confirmed by Congress- is at least 35 and has lived here for at least 14 years.

Just because there's not a formal process, there are multiple vetting processes among Congress, the parties, the electors, the press, security clearance, etc.

So is this bill going through congress or is this at a state level? I was under the impression this was proposed to be a Federal bill. I'll have to read it and get back with y'all on a later date

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

So is this bill going through congress or is this at a state level? I was under the impression this was proposed to be a Federal bill. I'll have to read it and get back with y'all on a later date

I was talking about the AZ one, here's a list though of ones that have popped up in the past 2 years
Wiki

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Say what you want about the origins of the bill but I don't see any problem with a bill proposing that elected officials prove that they are eligible for public office.

As we were discussing intent, the intent is pertinent.

Can you describe a situation where an official has not done so? Why the pressing need to write this law now, for a federal office in one state? What if Joe Secretary of State won't accept what 49 other states and the federal government have?