Recs aren't [are!] necessary

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Titchou

MysticCat: You asked why PNMs can't be told that SOME groups require recs. That is the question I was answering...not whether recs are required for the campus.

Actually, that's not the question I asked, at least not the main question. DF is exactly, right. From many of the posts lately, including yours, the clear impression was being given that CPJs must tell PNMs that recs are not required. Period.

After the language from the Green Book was posted, I specifically saying that I was trying to understand this conversation and asked:

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Reading the paragraph above, it seems to me that it's saying that providing/securing recommendations is a responsibility of collegiate members and/or alumnae, not of PNMs, and that PNMs can't be told it's their responsibility. That seems to be a little different from saying that PNMs can't be told recs are necessary. Am I missing something?

You actually answered that question, although you didn't acknowledge that it was what I had asked.

Originally Posted by Titchou

First of all, there is no "rule" that PNMs can't be told some groups require recs for a bid. Don't know where you got that. What the CPH can't say is that you have to get them yourself.

Then you somehow went to membership selection, about which I asked zilch.

I did then ask another two additional questions:

And if I am [missing something], what's the reason behind a blanket rule that PNMs can't be told that recs are needed when some organizations require them? Why wouldn't the rule be that PNMs should be told that rules about the necessity of recs vary from organization to organization?

I think it's pretty clear that the second question (why not say some groups) was related to the first (if I'm missing something, what's the reason for the rule). Simple answer would have been "They can say some orgs require recs." But instead, you went with wondering where I got the idea they couldn't say that.

I only know what you say, not what you mean to say.

You really need to give that line a rest. It's not working for you.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Actually, that's not the question I asked, at least not the main question. DF is exactly, right. From many of the posts lately, including yours, the clear impression was being given that CPJs must tell PNMs that recs are not required. Period.

Recs are not required to participate in formal rush, which is an event run by the college Panhellenic. Therefore the CP can't tell rushees they must have them.

College Panhellenics cannot tell PNMs it's their responsibility to secure recs because they don't know for sure if individual NPC groups require them as a condition of receiving a bid.

You really have to think of Panhellenic as a completely separate entity, and then it makes more sense.

[Parfait]

Thank you for the replies, I have to say they have been quite educational.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Recs are not required to participate in formal rush, which is an event run by the college Panhellenic. Therefore the CP can't tell rushees they must have them.

College Panhellenics cannot tell PNMs it's their responsibility to secure recs because they don't know for sure if individual NPC groups require them as a condition of receiving a bid.

You really have to think of Panhellenic as a completely separate entity, and then it makes more sense.

It does make much more sense that way. Thanks!