Kappa Alpha Psi Hazing (WSU)

ladygreek · #1 07-02-2010, 04:06 PM

Wow, this is almost 2 months old. Are you still mad at KAPsi because of the Howard University fiasco?

BluPhire · #2 07-02-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

Wow, this is almost 2 months old. Are you still mad at KAPsi because of the Howard University fiasco?

What happened at Howard?

PiKA2001 · #3 07-02-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire

What happened at Howard?

I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.

DrPhil · #4 07-02-2010, 05:50 PM

LOL. She's talking about PiKA at Howard.

The article was last updated in May. Does anyone know if anything has happened since then?

Drolefille · #5 07-02-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.

That was a rant?

I'd hate to see what you call a screed.

PiKA2001 · #6 07-02-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'd hate to see what you call a screed.

Hold that thought....

(searching Drollfille's posts)

Drolefille · #7 07-02-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Hold that thought....

(searching Drollfille's posts)

ha ha, funny.

The point is, not a rant.

ladygreek · #8 07-02-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.

I guess you haven't seen one of my rants, or anyone else's for that matter. They tend to be more than two sentences long. LOL

ree-Xi · #9 07-03-2010, 10:57 AM

I had not seen this before, so excuse my tardiness.

Not blaming the victim here, but wouldn't the flight or fight mechanism kick in after a few hours or days? As for the hazers - something's going on if you have to beat your pledges for a month to make them love you. Psychologically speaking, what happens for either side to let this go on for so long??

Drolefille · #10 07-03-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi

I had not seen this before, so excuse my tardiness.

Not blaming the victim here, but wouldn't the flight or fight mechanism kick in after a few hours or days? Psychologically speaking, what happens for either side to let this go on for so long??

No, not necessarily. The "I want to be part of the group" bit in the brain talks you into a lot, and so do your fellow pledges and even the actives. Not everyone is as susceptible to that sort of peer pressure, but more people are than you would think. And plenty of people who don't think they would stick around with any sort of abuse do. Hence cults, relationships and hazing.

/short version

ree-Xi · #11 07-03-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, not necessarily. The "I want to be part of the group" bit in the brain talks you into a lot, and so do your fellow pledges and even the actives. Not everyone is as susceptible to that sort of peer pressure, but more people are than you would think. And plenty of people who don't think they would stick around with any sort of abuse do. Hence cults, relationships and hazing.

/short version

I know people who have been in abusive relationships, and people who have been hazed mentally, but not someone who's been beaten physically over and over in a group setting. I guess because there is often physical evidence of the beatings/branding/kicking/etc., people might feel more likely to stand up or walk away.

I was thinking that it might be different, but thinking about the group dynamic, the desire to fit in is just as strong as the attachment in any one-on-one relationship can be.

Senusret I · #12 07-02-2010, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BluPhire

What happened at Howard?

The Kappas were on suspension at Howard for like a jillion plus one years.

Group of guys (who mostly wanted to be Kappas in the first place) thought they would do something "different" and petitioned Pike to become a colony.

While Nellie, Byron, George, Myra, Oscar, an' 'nem all rolled in their graves, the boys became a colony while the campus at large wasn't welcoming of them (editorials in the campus paper against their presence due to racist activities of some of the chapters in the recent past).

The Kappas are unexpectedly welcomed back to campus. (Some speculate that it's related to the mayor and his brother being Kappas in the sponsoring alumni chapter)

The Pike colony fails.

Several of the 44 recolonizing members of KAPsi were former Pikes. Several other former Pikes went on to become Kappas through alumni chapters.

Privately, several Pikes told me they felt that the colonization policies were too stringent for a chapter to ever be able to succeed at Howard. This is not even including the loyalty issues among the colonizers.

My own moral to this story is that I believe an NIC fraternity could work at Howard, but it would have to be one which was intentionally nonsectarian in its founding and made up of men who were not of the NPHC mold at all.

DrPhil · #13 07-02-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

The Kappas were on suspension at Howard for like a jillion plus one years.

Group of guys (who mostly wanted to be Kappas in the first place) thought they would do something "different" and petitioned Pike to become a colony.

While Nellie, Byron, George, Myra, Oscar, an' 'nem all rolled in their graves, the boys became a colony while the campus at large wasn't welcoming of them (editorials in the campus paper against their presence due to racist activities of some of the chapters in the recent past).

The Kappas are unexpectedly welcomed back to campus. (Some speculate that it's related to the mayor and his brother being Kappas in the sponsoring alumni chapter)

The Pike colony fails.

Several of the 44 recolonizing members of KAPsi were former Pikes. Several other former Pikes went on to become Kappas through alumni chapters.

Privately, several Pikes told me they felt that the colonization policies were too stringent for a chapter to ever be able to succeed at Howard. This is not even including the loyalty issues among the colonizers.

My own moral to this story is that I believe an NIC fraternity could work at Howard, but it would have to be one which was intentionally nonsectarian in its founding and made up of men who were not of the NPHC mold at all.

LOL.

PiKA2001, this is what the PiKA failure at HU has to (jokingly) do with a PiKA posting this months-old story about Kappa.

PiKA2001 · #14 07-02-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL.

PiKA2001, this is what the PiKA failure at HU has to (jokingly) do with a PiKA posting this months-old story about Kappa.

Now the reference makes sense, I wasn't in the know about what went down with KAPsi at HU. I'm like damn, I only posted the damn thing because this chapter was at my school.....