Man Kills 2 Year Old Step-Daughter Over Crying During The World Cup

[IrishLake]

Man, I love Texas

I can't even read the article, it'll make me ill.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I had a feeling you'd show up. Yep. I remember our discussion, and I still have it. It's just that I don't think he'll get the punishment that he deserves. That was 2 year old child.

Expressing the feeling that he won't get the punishment he deserves is different than deriding the system for providing him a lawyer and posting random dollar signs at the end of your sentence in some twisted way of providing a point.

And, what exactly is the punishment he deserves? Since you know better than the justice system that is apparently unique to the rest of the world in protecting bad guys.

Also I'll see your at the bolded.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

He's been charged with capital homicide, so he's facing the death penalty. He gave what appears to be a very incriminating confession, so unless there's some reason it can't come into evidence, I'd say a conviction is very likely; I'd even guess it's likely without the confession. This is in Texas, a place not at all shy about imposing and carrying out death sentences. Under all the circumstances, I'd be amazed if the prosecutor would agree to any plea deal that involved anything less than life in prison, and even that would surprise me.

So why don't you think he'll get the punishment he deserves?

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

Man, I love Texas

I can't even read the article, it'll make me ill.

Don't mess with Texas.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

I'm sure you've heard some of the cases about death row inmates who have been exonerated because of new developments coming up.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row?

Let's go even more 19th century. It can even be public and involve either a hanging, decapitation, or gun range (I can't believe there's a state that still has that).



Michel Foucault is laughing at me.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

See, that's just it, MC. It's all the plea deals, money, etc that I don't like. Remember our discussion about the money part? If he gets the death penalty, which I'm all for, then why can't they just do away with him right now. Today. Why a death row? I just thought there was going to be some kind of plea deal, that's why I didn't think he was going to get what he deserves.

You may remember our discussion but obviously you didn't understand it if you're asking why we can't just despense with a trial and hang him now. Because. It. Would. Be. Unconstitutional. Not to mention uncivilized.

Seriously, I'm sorry but I just don't have much patience with this. I'll be the first to admit that the criminal justice isn't perfect -- in some cases far from it. And I'll gladly listen to informed criticisms and engage in discussions about them. But I have little patience with criticisms -- complete with s and $s -- that demonstrate appalling ignorance of the some of the basic constitutional principles this country is founded on -- principles that a fifth grader should know.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But I have little patience with criticisms -- complete with s and $s -- that demonstrate appalling ignorance of the some of the basic constitutional principles this country is founded on -- principles that a fifth grader should know.

What she's doing is venting and vents are not engaging.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Let's go even more 19th century. It can even be public and involve either a hanging, decapitation, or gun range (I can't believe there's a state that still has that).

I think it's gone now, it was just grandfathered in for anyone convicted before the change.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You may remember our discussion but obviously you didn't understand it if you're asking why we can't just despense with a trial and hang him now. Because. It. Would. Be. Unconstitutional. Not to mention uncivilized.

Seriously, I'm sorry but I just don't have much patience with this. I'll be the first to admit that the criminal justice isn't perfect -- in some cases far from it. And I'll gladly listen to informed criticisms and engage in discussions about them. But I have little patience with criticisms -- complete with s and $s -- that demonstrate appalling ignorance of the some of the basic constitutional principles this country is founded on -- principles that a fifth grader should know.

Not to mention that many countries have found that the death penalty itself isn't civilized.

/cosigns MC for the rest of the thread.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'm sure you've heard some of the cases about death row inmates who have been exonerated because of new developments coming up.

Yeah, I have. But I'm just talking about if all the evidence is there. DNA etc.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You may remember our discussion but obviously you didn't understand it if you're asking why we can't just despense with a trial and hang him now. Because. It. Would. Be. Unconstitutional. Not to mention uncivilized.

Seriously, I'm sorry but I just don't have much patience with this. I'll be the first to admit that the criminal justice isn't perfect -- in some cases far from it. And I'll gladly listen to informed criticisms and engage in discussions about them. But I have little patience with criticisms -- complete with s and $s -- that demonstrate appalling ignorance of the some of the basic constitutional principles this country is founded on -- principles that a fifth grader should know.

I understood it, but I didn't agree with it all. The part I don't agree with is how the punishment isn't equal. If you have money (like OJ) you can get away with murder. I wasn't trying to degrade the law, MC. I just don't agree with it all. Some of it, but not all of it, and there's nothing wrong with my frustration towards that. I appreciate you explaining it to me and I wasn't debating with you, because this is what you do for a living, it's just that I don't agree with the way a lot of it is handled. That's all I'm saying. I wasn't trying to offend you. Honestly, I wasn't.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

The part I don't agree with is how the punishment isn't equal. If you have money (like OJ) you can get away with murder.

That isn't necessarily the truth. There are plenty of good attorneys that do plenty of pro bono work. And it is also like anything else, you get what you pay for.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What she's doing is venting and vents are not engaging.

THIS.
It's so frustrating. A two year old! I'm sorry, but I wish they would do away with him, now. Today.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I have. But I'm just talking about if all the evidence is there. DNA etc.

Many of the people that have been cleared were initially convicted because "the evidence was there." There's always room for human error.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

THIS.
It's so frustrating. A two year old! I'm sorry, but I wish they would do away with him, now. Today.

How does his death fix anything?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

That isn't necessarily the truth. There are plenty of good attorneys that do plenty of pro bono work. And it is also like anything else, you get what you pay for.

I agree with "you get what you pay for"...most of the time, but you know as well as I do, if it was you or me being chased by a million police cars on the freeway, doing 30 mph, you know they wouldn't have let us drive until we decided to stop. But because it was OJ, it was handled differently. That's Bullcrap and you know it!