Please help the Jobless workers

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Jobs you wish to apply for" only means "jobs that you choose to apply for." Don't rehash the basics of unemployment at the cost of missing the larger point.

No, I understand your point, however ITT we've been talking about chronic unemployment. So while your suggestions are great for the ideal, they're really not applicable here, hence the response to them by several people.

Removing experience from my resume or from a job application isn't really an option, choosing to apply only within my field isn't really an option and even though I'm using myself as an example, it's not just me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, I understand your point, however ITT we've been talking about chronic unemployment. So while your suggestions are great for the ideal, they're really not applicable here, hence the response to them by several people.

The chronically unemployed who have found success in my suggestion would beg to differ. I didn't pull it from my imagination and have extensive experience with this. I actually learned these suggestions from other chronically unemployed people who have masters, mbas, and doctorates and found success in these "outside of the box" approaches to employment. In fact, I said almost the exact same thing in the other unemployment thread and received less of a response from people. At some point such discussions become more about people's frustrations and less about what could possibly work or not work outside of the box.

Like I said, apply it how you (general) see fit. Either try it or don't. It will work for some and not for others. I really don't see why people feel the need to be Debbie Downer about this and share their stories.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The chronically unemployed who have found success in my suggestion would beg to differ. I didn't pull it from my imagination and have extensive experience with this. I actually learned these suggestions from other chronically unemployed people who have masters, mbas, and doctorates and found success in these "outside of the box" approaches to employment. In fact, I said almost the exact same thing in the other unemployment thread and received less of a response from people. At some point such discussions become more about people's frustrations and less about what could possibly work or not work outside of the box.

Like I said, apply it how you (general) see fit. Either try it or don't. It will work for some and not for others. I really don't see why people feel the need to be Debbie Downer about this and share their stories.

@ the bolded - Because many of the suggestions aren't necessarily new or groundbreaking. Lots of folks have applied (or attempted to apply) these techniques, with little or no success. Then, they're told "well, you're not trying hard enough" -- that's a pretty big slap in the face.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

@ the bolded - Because many of the suggestions aren't necessarily new or groundbreaking. Lots of folks have applied (or attempted to apply) these techniques, with little or no success. Then, they're told "well, you're not trying hard enough" -- that's a pretty big slap in the face.

Exactly. And don't have the luxury of being picky about the jobs we apply for. Also, it's shocking that we're down because we're unemployed.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Exactly. And don't have the luxury of being picky about the jobs we apply for.

Well, it is good that you applied for every possible job that a human could possibly apply for regardless of other factors. There's always a chance of getting hired, even at the place we least expect.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, it is good that you applied for every possible job that a human could possibly apply for regardless of other factors. There's always a chance of getting hired, even at the place we least expect.

Take it elsewhere.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Kevin

As dire as it is, that does not explain or justify why anyone thinks they deserve compensation from the government (from the taxpayers) when the government doesn't even really have that money to pay them. Sometimes folks' houses get foreclosed when they lose jobs. Sometimes they have to move, declare bankruptcy, etc.

You are not entitled to a job which pays $x simply because you are qualified for the job you used to have.

And this is where our basic philosophies differ and will never reach congruency, Kevin. I see value to soceity in having people stay in their homes rather than be homeless, in having them be able to purchase basic goods such as food and toilet paper in an effort to keep THOSE industries from hurting more than they are, in having them still be able to utilize health care so that the health care system doesn't collapse under the pressure of providing so much free care that they can't function anymore, etc. Just as there is societal value in educating all of our citizens rather than picking and choosing which ones "deserve" to be educated, I see value to society as a whole to prevent blight and crime through providing assistance to those who are temporarily down in their luck due to forces that were not in their control whatsoever.

I also think that we, as human beings, have a responsibility to prevent harm from coming to other human beings. I think we will do better as a society if we unite and help people pull themselves back up rather than kick them when they're down. I believe that the vast majority of these people will, once again, become contributing members of society if they are given some aide for now, which will only increase our tax base in the future and make us better able to pay off that debt.

You cannot find a job without a home address or a phone number. There is no way for an employer to contact you.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Take it elsewhere.

No.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

@ the bolded - Because many of the suggestions aren't necessarily new or groundbreaking.

Neither are a lot of things that a lot people are clueless about. Job training and job skills programs exist for a reason. You all may not need them (or they may not have worked for you) but you all aren't the only people reading this thread.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Lots of folks have applied (or attempted to apply) these techniques, with little or no success.

And folks have applied these techniques with great success. What's the point?

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Then, they're told "well, you're not trying hard enough" -- that's a pretty big slap in the face.

So, did the unemployed people in this thread assume that tone?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Neither are a lot of things that a lot people are clueless about. Job training and job skills programs exist for a reason. You all may not need them (or they may not have worked for you) but you all aren't the only people reading this thread.

We're not the only ones reading, but we are the only ones sharing our stories.

And folks have applied these techniques with great success. What's the point?

One size doesn't fit all (not necessarily directed at you).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

One size doesn't fit all (not necessarily directed at you).

Are you serious? Did you really think that needed to be stated regardless of who it is directed to? Aren't there things that you suggest to people regarding various topics that won't work for everyone?

As my posts stated, people who have chosen to try those approaches did so without knowing whether it would be successful. I know people who did not find success in those approaches but that doesn't void those who did find success.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Are you serious? Did you really think that needed to be stated regardless of who it is directed to? Aren't there things that you suggest to people regarding various topics that won't work for everyone?

As my posts stated, people who have chosen to try those approaches did so without knowing whether it would be successful. I know people who did not find success in those approaches but that doesn't void those who did find success.

@ the bolded - You must have forgotten what forum we're posting on.

I know for a fact that you understand, but (as you've stated) we're not the only ones reading this thread