CNN Asks Why Black Men Are Not Graduating From College

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Actually, the one making the original claim is the one who must cite the source. Where did you get that poor and working class white men are not graduating from college at the national level?

Who was the originator of the post who made the original claim?

Hmm, yes.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Why are underprivileged white men not graduating from college?

Was this your question or did you get it from the original article?

Did I miss where the original article or someone in this thread stated this?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

The more important thing in this situation (and in most situations) is class rather than race. I would guarantee that white Appalachian poor trash kids would get along much better with urban African-American poor than a African-American doctoral student.

(I don't know what you mean by "get along much better with." Someone can be really nice to you and "some of my best friends are Black," but call you n*gger if they think their father lost his coal mining job to your Blackass father. And try to find ways to re-align the poor and working class white man's status quo. That perceived sense of group racial threat is what racism and discrimination are about. It isn't about prejudice and who gets along with whom).

So, in general, you would be sadly mistaken because this is about something more substantive than poor Black people and poor white people listening to rap, playing basketball, and speaking slang together. Ya know, the stuff that white Appalachian "poor trash" (stupid phrase) and poor urban Blacks could potentially have in common.

What Engels and Marx (and others) predicted regarding substantive class alliances that supercede race never happened.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Walter E. Williams cited a study done in his book "The State Against Blacks" which showed that a middle class white resident would rather have a middle-class African American move into their neighborhood than a poor white person. Something to think about.

His book didn't "show" that as a definitive statement. That isn't the intent of such research. It sparks discussion and debate and offers different explanations. Either way, Walter E. Williams is a celebrated scholar but he is part of a longstanding debate among scholars regarding this topic. His books and other research are to be placed within their proper contexts. Dr. Williams knows that. Among the context for "The State Against Blacks" is that his book was written in 1984 by an economist (big surprise that an economist believes and therefore "found" that social class has greater standing?) with a particular sample.

Similarly, whenever people cite William Julius Wilson's "Declining Significance of Race" as proof of anything, I ask them whether they actually READ it and any of Wilson's other research. If they had, they would see that Wilson wasn't saying that race was less salient but instead that social class was increasing in significance. Social scientists already knew that because race and social class are highly correlated (there's no coincidence that Blacks are disproportionately poor and undereducated).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Link?


Link?

Look, I get it man, you're a racialist. That's fine. Alot of the white nationalists I know are too.

The more important thing in this situation (and in most situations) is class rather than race. I would guarantee that white Appalachian poor trash kids would get along much better with urban African-American poor than a African-American doctoral student.

Walter E. Williams cited a study done in his book "The State Against Blacks" which showed that a middle class white resident would rather have a middle-class African American move into their neighborhood than a poor white person. Something to think about.

Actually, if it helps you sleep tonight, I don't agree with the article...maybe if you read my comments after the post, it would dawn on you that it's a bullshit article trotted out at this time of year to make people think that something is going on.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Actually, if it helps you sleep tonight, I don't agree with the article...maybe if you read my comments after the post, it would dawn on you that it's a bullshit article trotted out at this time of year to make people think that something is going on.

I agree with the article.

The only thing that I really disagree with is the statement that Black men are learning to become thugs and Black women are busy blaming Black men for stuff. He began with that sensationalized for media consumption ridiculousness that is common for Black people writing about race.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I agree with the article.

The only thing that I really disagree with is the statement that Black men are learning to become thugs and Black women are busy blaming Black men for stuff. He began with that sensationalized for media consumption ridiculousness that is common for Black people writing about race.

and that is where I disagreed with it and it feel a lot more like someone is trying to place blame instead of taking responsibility.

I mostly disagree with it because as we stated earlier is that this is nothing new and the timing for this is per usual.

[AGDee]

Interestingly, in my Occupational Therapy program, which was very traditionally female (1 of 200 students in the 4 cohorts I knew was male) and very traditionally white (no African Americans in those 4 cohorts) had an African American male professor (1 of 5 professors for the program). He had been an OTR in the Army and was retired..he was a Colonel.

Hopefully the tide will change and there will be more and more. I do think it's important to have role models/mentors that a student identifies with.

[Munchkin03]

BORING!

Now get off GC and continue watching interracial porn. You know you love it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by thekoz

Get a job and take care of your illegitimate n1glets.

If you really want to fix the problem you must first admit you have a problem.

Oh, that's rich.

At this rate, you'll be working for my kids some day.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by thekoz

I doubt it. Most blacks do not even graduate high school. The current unemployment rate is about 10%. The unemployment rate for black men is over 50%.

PS. I hope your kids do get jobs so they can start paying their own bills instead of collecting welfare.

Yeah, because kids who are Ivy League legacies on both sides of the family collect welfare all the time.

Move along now before you're deleted again. Shoo.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by thekoz

If your kids can go to an Ivy League school then what does that say about all the n1ggerz that drop out of high school? Are they being held down by da man or are they lazy? That is the issue that n1ggerz like yourself do not want to address. The fact is n1ggerz that are willing to put in the work can be successful. The problem is most n1ggerz are lazy.

Shoo.

[Drolefille]

no feedz the trolls.

Also quoting the troll means that his words live on when he gets banned.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

no feedz the trolls.

Also quoting the troll means that his words live on when he gets banned.

No, I'll delete or edit my posts when he's gone.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by bridgekid3

Am I one of those scholars?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by damostest

In what areas do blacks excell other than basketball?

Medicine for one.