CNN Asks Why Black Men Are Not Graduating From College

[Elephant Walk]

Why are underprivileged white men not graduating from college?

Someone should do a study into it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Why are underprivileged white men not graduating from college?

At a national level, they are graduating from college.

Efforts (particularly by public institutions) to reach students from lower socioeconomic status have been quite successful. Interestingly, despite the high correlation between social class and race (to the point that they are almost synonymous in many instances), outreach to poor whites (including white men) has been more successful than outreach to Black males across social classes.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

At a national level, they are graduating from college.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I will take "Because the numbers of them vs the numbers of black men are not as high?"

for $500, Dick

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Look, I get it man, you're a racialist. That's fine. Alot of the white nationalists I know are too.

The more important thing in this situation (and in most situations) is class rather than race. I would guarantee that white Appalachian poor trash kids would get along much better with urban African-American poor than a African-American doctoral student.

Walter E. Williams cited a study done in his book "The State Against Blacks" which showed that a middle class white resident would rather have a middle-class African American move into their neighborhood than a poor white person. Something to think about.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Link?

Actually, the one making the original claim is the one who must cite the source. Where did you get that poor and working class white men are not graduating from college at the national level?

This claim is different than the widely given notion that the underprivileged (across race and gender) have a harder time affording, matriculating, and graduating from college.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Actually, the one making the original claim is the one who must cite the source. Where did you get that poor and working class white men are not graduating from college at the national level?

Who was the originator of the post who made the original claim?

Hmm, yes.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

The more important thing in this situation (and in most situations) is class rather than race. I would guarantee that white Appalachian poor trash kids would get along much better with urban African-American poor than a African-American doctoral student.

(I don't know what you mean by "get along much better with." Someone can be really nice to you and "some of my best friends are Black," but call you n*gger if they think their father lost his coal mining job to your Blackass father. And try to find ways to re-align the poor and working class white man's status quo. That perceived sense of group racial threat is what racism and discrimination are about. It isn't about prejudice and who gets along with whom).

So, in general, you would be sadly mistaken because this is about something more substantive than poor Black people and poor white people listening to rap, playing basketball, and speaking slang together. Ya know, the stuff that white Appalachian "poor trash" (stupid phrase) and poor urban Blacks could potentially have in common.

What Engels and Marx (and others) predicted regarding substantive class alliances that supercede race never happened.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Walter E. Williams cited a study done in his book "The State Against Blacks" which showed that a middle class white resident would rather have a middle-class African American move into their neighborhood than a poor white person. Something to think about.

His book didn't "show" that as a definitive statement. That isn't the intent of such research. It sparks discussion and debate and offers different explanations. Either way, Walter E. Williams is a celebrated scholar but he is part of a longstanding debate among scholars regarding this topic. His books and other research are to be placed within their proper contexts. Dr. Williams knows that. Among the context for "The State Against Blacks" is that his book was written in 1984 by an economist (big surprise that an economist believes and therefore "found" that social class has greater standing?) with a particular sample.

Similarly, whenever people cite William Julius Wilson's "Declining Significance of Race" as proof of anything, I ask them whether they actually READ it and any of Wilson's other research. If they had, they would see that Wilson wasn't saying that race was less salient but instead that social class was increasing in significance. Social scientists already knew that because race and social class are highly correlated (there's no coincidence that Blacks are disproportionately poor and undereducated).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

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Look, I get it man, you're a racialist. That's fine. Alot of the white nationalists I know are too.

The more important thing in this situation (and in most situations) is class rather than race. I would guarantee that white Appalachian poor trash kids would get along much better with urban African-American poor than a African-American doctoral student.

Walter E. Williams cited a study done in his book "The State Against Blacks" which showed that a middle class white resident would rather have a middle-class African American move into their neighborhood than a poor white person. Something to think about.

Actually, if it helps you sleep tonight, I don't agree with the article...maybe if you read my comments after the post, it would dawn on you that it's a bullshit article trotted out at this time of year to make people think that something is going on.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Actually, if it helps you sleep tonight, I don't agree with the article...maybe if you read my comments after the post, it would dawn on you that it's a bullshit article trotted out at this time of year to make people think that something is going on.

I agree with the article.

The only thing that I really disagree with is the statement that Black men are learning to become thugs and Black women are busy blaming Black men for stuff. He began with that sensationalized for media consumption ridiculousness that is common for Black people writing about race.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I agree with the article.

The only thing that I really disagree with is the statement that Black men are learning to become thugs and Black women are busy blaming Black men for stuff. He began with that sensationalized for media consumption ridiculousness that is common for Black people writing about race.

and that is where I disagreed with it and it feel a lot more like someone is trying to place blame instead of taking responsibility.

I mostly disagree with it because as we stated earlier is that this is nothing new and the timing for this is per usual.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Why are underprivileged white men not graduating from college?

Was this your question or did you get it from the original article?

Did I miss where the original article or someone in this thread stated this?