Restrictions on wearing letters

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know that in my sorority, Jesus Christ is one of our exemplars and we do have Bible quotes here and there. That doesn't mean you have to be a Christian to join (any more than you have to be a follower of Hermes, another one of our exemplars). I don't consider that a "religious association" as we are not asking girls to do anything more than listen to it during ritual. What if a sister's a Wiccan? Is she allowed to sit at the "Campus Wiccan Club" information booth with a letter shirt on?

Ok? Like I said, my chapter has no religious association, but I don't mind a sister going to a youth group with an XYZ t-shirt on. Why wouldn't a Wiccan sister be extended that same freedom? I don't understand why that choice as your example.

Originally Posted by 33girl

This reminds me of Donna Martin on 90210 leading the "condoms in school" crusade and David assuming that she was using them...when actually she was a virgin. It might be that people just don't approve of the ridiculous "war on drugs" and the insanely long sentences given to nonviolent offenders (while rapists and murderers are released to make room for them). I guess it's a different little world in the south, but I personally would be extremely offended if, as it seems, some people's beliefs are more equal than others.

It's not a "different little world in the south". It is a fact that religion often factors more in to daily life in the south, especially in small towns. It is also a fact that people WILL assume that if you join a club that supports legalizing marijuana that you smoke it. Not everyone will think that. But some will. Regardless, it's a separate issue. I KNOW that because I attended some meetings for an organization supporting the legalization of marijuana that some people assumed I smoke it. It's none of their business, but that's illegal, so it never bothered me to just change t-shirts or not wear a shirt with letters on those days. I get why they ask that. And if the same is asked of people in other politically associated groups, regardless of the majority's beliefs, I just can't see the problem. An easy solution would be to specify that letters not be worn to political rallies of any kind, from a Republican convention to a rally to legalize pot.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AnotherKD

Well, kind of both. She originally felt a little weird seeing her letters seemingly attached to the campaign of a certain political party, and when she wondered if there was a rule about wearing letters while doing things like that, she was told that the sisters didn't mind, as long as it was for a certain political party. That is when she became more uncomfortable. The unofficial word was that the upperclassmen (and most of the sisters, anyhow) thought it was great for one, and a no-go for the other. I just think that kind of sucks. She's not someone who is okay with confrontation, so I'm not sure she knows what she will do next, if anything.

Ah I see. Quite frankly I think that if you're working for Joe Politician, you shouldn't be wearing letters, if you're going to see Joe Politician speak you can wear whatever the hell you want. And that it should be that way no matter what issues Joe Politician stands for.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Not necessarily.

Besides -- don't undergrads have other shirts? I say save the GLO shirts for GLO functions.

I think it makes a difference, one makes a claim for the org, the other doesn't. Arguably individual members don't have the authority to make a claim for the org. anyway so there are probably few if any legal issues associated even if someone wanted to go after non-profit status.

NPC chapter get so many event shirts that wearing them only to greek events doesn't make sense and it is often encourage that they wear letters on campus anyway. (YMMV of course, but this is pretty standard in the NPC) Also if there's not a problem listing College Republicans as well as College Democrats on the "List of activities our members participate in" there really shouldn't be an expectation that Sally ABC isn't going to go to Joe Politician's speech on campus when one of those orgs brought him there.

/thinks this has a lot to do with how we demonize "the other side"

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

It is a fact that religion often factors more in to daily life in the south, especially in small towns.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Some people consider their political beliefs just as important as others consider their religion.

Just in case you missed my point (by "just in case" I mean "it sailed over your head like a pterodactyl").

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Just in case you missed my point (by "just in case" I mean "it sailed over your head like a pterodactyl").

Jesus, whatever happened to being pleasant?

I didn't miss your point. I explained the difference between your "point" and the one I'm making. I also explained that campuses differ. Politics might be "as important", but they are simply not the same thing as religion. I do not believe it is unreasonable for a chapter to ask that letters not be worn to political rallies/conventions/etc. Full stop.

(By your logic, smoking should be allowed in letters, too. I know plenty of people who put their nicotine fix in the top two of their priority list, especially during stressful times. Certainly higher than politics and probably religion since many people do not participate in organized religion. I don't personally care about smoking, but it's a common and widely accepted rule among sororities that drinking/smoking are not allowed in letters. I smoke. I drink. I just change shirts...even as an alum.)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

but it's a common and widely accepted rule among sororities that drinking/smoking are not allowed in letters.

No, it isn't.

We've all expressed our opinions on the original topic, but it's really dumb to actually debate the intricacies of this topic with members of other GLOs. Do whatever your GLO policies and traditions encourages. Simple and plain.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No, it isn't.

We've all expressed our opinions on the original topic, but it's really dumb to actually debate the intricacies of this topic with members of other GLOs. Do whatever your GLO policies and traditions encourages. Simple and plain.

I believe you're wrong.

Well, that's it folks, apparently the thread is over.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I believe you're wrong.

Well, that's it folks, apparently the thread is over.

But your stupidity is just beginning.

But, as I said, "it's really dumb to actually debate the intricacies of this topic with members of other GLOs. Do whatever your GLO policies and traditions encourage. Simple and plain."

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

But your stupidity is just beginning.

But, as I said, "it's really dumb to actually debate the intricacies of this topic with members of other GLOs. Do whatever your GLO policies and traditions encourage. Simple and plain."

In her defense, she may be talking about specifically NPC organizations. I'll admit that prior to joining GC, I had also believed it was against sorority rules for EVERY sorority (and even fraternities). That's the problem. I feel like I got so much more Greek knowledge from coming to this site and being a member for so long, regarding policies of other organizations (even checking out the beautiful badges and what they can and can't do for them-thanks to the badges thread). Don't get me wrong. My sorority taught me so much about Greek life but, I feel like as an Alumna, I have learned so much more. I would figure that's what she was talking about. That's just my thought.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

But your stupidity is just beginning.

But, as I said, "it's really dumb to actually debate the intricacies of this topic with members of other GLOs. Do whatever your GLO policies and traditions encourage. Simple and plain."

Bow, minions, Dr. Phil has spoken. There is to be no more discussion.

I SAID BOW.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by remmie_k

I am not even in a sorority yet

Begin and end post here.

Damn, I should've QFP.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Begin and end post here.

Damn, I should've QFP.

I tried but was too late.

Stupid PNM is stupid.