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Old 05-18-2010, 11:04 AM
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This can't in anyway be seen as a violation of the establishment clause?
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:15 AM
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This can't in anyway be seen as a violation of the establishment clause?
That depends on what goes into the books. I'm guessing that the publishers will be working with lawyers to know where the line is so that they don't cross it. But who knows? We have this same Christian/Conservative crowd here in Oklahoma. Those of you in the coastal states really have no concept of how rabid these folks are and how they use power. They honestly believe they are fighting some sort of vast and suppressive force, usually "liberal elites."

Recently, Oklahoma's Pres Pro Tempore made the comment that it isn't up to the legislature to determine whether laws were constitutional. They wrote the laws and the courts determined the constitutionality of those rules and that he didn't think the legislature should even consider the constitutionality of bills -- we'll just ignore that they took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

The good news is that the courts will sort this out. The better news is that the ACLU and similar organizations stand to see a big boost in their endowments both from awards of attorneys fees in civil rights cases and increased donations from folks who will come to the realization that we really need those groups to protect our rights.
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:04 PM
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The good news is that the courts will sort this out. The better news is that the ACLU and similar organizations stand to see a big boost in their endowments both from awards of attorneys fees in civil rights cases and increased donations from folks who will come to the realization that we really need those groups to protect our rights.
Actually one of my first thoughts when I read this was that the ACLU was going to have a field day with this.
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:43 PM
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Actually one of my first thoughts when I read this was that the ACLU was going to have a field day with this.
My first thought was that Family Guy was going to have a field day with this. But they already did a Texas is full of backward idiots episode.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:01 PM
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Actually one of my first thoughts when I read this was that the ACLU was going to have a field day with this.
This isn't the first we're hearing of it. If the ACLU hasn't acted yet, I doubt they will.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:13 PM
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This isn't the first we're hearing of it. If the ACLU hasn't acted yet, I doubt they will.
There's nothing to act on (legally) unless and until the changes are actually implemented.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:19 PM
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There's nothing to act on (legally) unless and until the changes are actually implemented.
oh i know that, i was just responding to vito's comment about the ACLU.

I think the changes will be implemented. There were several votes already that were in favor of the changes. IDK if they need the voters to vote.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:22 PM
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oh i know that, i was just responding to vito's comment about the ACLU.
But you said if the ACLU hasn't acted yet, you doubt they will. While I have no idea whether they will act or not, my point was that they haven't had a basis on which to act yet, so they fact that they haven't acted yet is no indication at all of whether they will act.
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