Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[DrPhil]

I agree 100% with what Rev. Al Sharpton said on the TJMS this morning.

He said what many of us said: Having an issue with illegal immigration and crime does not mean that this law is a good idea and people are confusing the debate, as well as shortsightedly justifying (or ignoring) the potential outcomes of this law. That is what posters like Kevin and ASUADPi seem to be doing. This isn't a pro-illegal immigrants vs. con-illegal immigrants debate. This isn't a pro-crime vs. con-crime debate. This is a pro-THIS LAW vs. con-THIS LAW debate.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

You do realize illegal immigration isn't a "skin tone" issue, right?

Ummmmm...HE realizes that and HE won't be the one doing the racial profiling based on black and brown skin tone and non-white racial and ethnic features.

This law was not intended to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown and it won't be used to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I'm kind of guessing that unless the driver is behaving erratically, or there is another reason for them (the officers) to pull them over, they aren't just going to pull over a random Hispanic (for no reason) other than be like "prove your legal". They don't have the time. Now, I'm sure there will be some boneheaded, racist officer who will do crap like what I mentioned, but that isn't going to be all of them. Unfortunately, when that one bonehead does it, suddenly it is on the national news and everyone is screaming racism.

You need a refresher course on racial profiling and what happened with DWB. It is not about what "some boneheaded, racist officer" does. It is an institutionally supported practice.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He said what many of us said: Having an issue with illegal immigration and crime does not mean that this law is a good idea and people are confusing the debate, as well as shortsightedly justifying (or ignoring) the potential outcomes of this law. That is what posters like Kevin and ASUADPi seem to be doing.

I don't think Kevin's doing that -- his first post in this thread was:

Originally Posted by Kevin

I guess these guys haven't heard of the supremacy clause.

I think Kevin was responding on a background issue -- whether New England states experience illiegal alien problems the same way states closer to or on the Mexican border do.

[AOII Angel]

Hmmm...doesn't sound like all of law enforcement is backing this.

The Pima County, Arizona, sheriff told KGUN9 News in Tucson that state Senate Bill 1070 to deter illegal immigration is a "racist law." He said he has no intention of complying with it.

According to the TV station, Dupnik becomes the first major local law enforcement official to rebel against the bill since Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed it into law Friday.

Dupnik called the law "disgusting" and "unnecessary." He knows he could get sued for failing to comply with the law - a risk, he says he's willing to take.


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/28...ople-8/?hpt=T2

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't think Kevin's doing that -- his first post in this thread was:I think Kevin was responding on a background issue -- whether New England states experience illiegal alien problems the same way states closer to or on the Mexican border do.

Then ASUADPi's holding it down. Cool.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Hmmm...doesn't sound like all of law enforcement is backing this.

I think I remember hearing that law enforcement groups in Arizona opposed the bill. Did I imagine that?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think I remember hearing that law enforcement groups in Arizona opposed the bill. Did I imagine that?

Apparently the Maricopa sheriff is all for it. He's been all over the news.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Apparently the Maricopa sheriff is all for it. He's been all over the news.

Well, yeah. But that's his thing. I was meaning more the police organizations.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Ummmmm...HE realizes that and HE won't be the one doing the racial profiling based on black and brown skin tone and non-white racial and ethnic features.

This law was not intended to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown and it won't be used to target illegal immigrants who are not black or brown.

Ummmm it was directed towards that poster.

Down girl, down.

[AZTheta]

First, regarding Joe Arpaio: where to start? His behavior is legendary and well documented. It astounds me that the residents of Maricopa County have not yet voted him out of office.

I am proud of Sheriff Clarence Dupnik. As Andrew Jackson said, "one man with courage is a majority." Someone needed to speak up about how WRONG this law is. It is, simply, WRONG. What is so difficult to understand about that?

That said, the border issues are incredibly complex and troubling. No one in this thread has yet referred to the recent murder of the Cochise County rancher, Rob Krentz, by a suspected drug smuggler. His murder has added fuel to the fire.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange...ncher-murdered

Latest news this morning is that the Federal Government is casting an eye at the AZ law, and I say "hurry up."

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think I remember hearing that law enforcement groups in Arizona opposed the bill. Did I imagine that?

On NPR last night I heard the higher ups did NOT support it, but in general the actual officers did. I didn't catch the title/name of the person being interviewed, though, so I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

First, regarding Joe Arpaio: where to start? His behavior is legendary and well documented. It astounds me that the residents of Maricopa County have not yet voted him out of office.

I am proud of Sheriff Clarence Dupnik. As Andrew Jackson said, "one man with courage is a majority." Someone needed to speak up about how WRONG this law is. It is, simply, WRONG. What is so difficult to understand about that?

That said, the border issues are incredibly complex and troubling. No one in this thread has yet referred to the recent murder of the Cochise County rancher, Rob Krentz, by a suspected drug smuggler. His murder has added fuel to the fire.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange...ncher-murdered

Latest news this morning is that the Federal Government is casting an eye at the AZ law, and I say "hurry up."

So sad. Don't think making the drug dealers carry their immigration papers will help stop them, though. Which I'm sure is your point, Maria.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Ummmm it was directed towards that poster.

Down girl, down.

Shut up, bitch.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Shut up, bitch.

Someone's being a lady today. Don't write your obnoxious responses if you can't handle getting them back.

I will not be shutting up any time soon. Have a good one!