Arizona governor signs immigration bill

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

It's actually startlingly clear that you're the one who has a tenuous grasp, at best, on the real issues involved with illegal immigration.

The real-world costs of illegal immigrants are, for practical purposes, sunk costs - they're basic human services that have been deemed a right for even non-citizens. Surely, you're not for holding back basic human rights from individuals, regardless of skin tone, right?

And won't the increased time and energy dealing with inconsequential immigration-related issues detract from local police's ability to do their jobs, resulting in EVEN MORE costs? Seriously - sunk costs are sunk, no matter how angry you want to be about it. Now, if it's not cheaper, and if it might actually make people less safe, is that worth stepping all over the frigging Constitution in the name of "enforcement" (which is not left to the states anyway)?

Put another way: what will this law actually DO, in your mind?

I guess we'll start there, and see if it's worth moving onto further lessons in Reality Versus The Minutemen 201.

(Preview: how are taxes dealt with when drawn from paychecks of illegals? Why should enforcement be left to business owners, who have a vested interest in NOT enforcing the laws? How much would strawberries cost on Planet NoIllegals? Do you understand the definition of "crime" and its dubious-at-best relation to undocumented immigration? How will this law actually affect social services, which make up the majority of costs? And, finally - how does a closed border and the current 'card'/naturalization pathway system encourage legal immigration when undocumented immigration is easier, cheaper, faster and insanely more convenient? Oh, wait though - closing the border is the solution. That'll work. Just like the war on drugs.)

You do realize illegal immigration isn't a "skin tone" issue, right?

I've happened to encounter "illegal aliens" from several countries in Europe...visas run out and they stay. Different route, same outcome.