Obama orders end to the practice of denying same-sex partners hospital visits

deepimpact2 · #1 04-23-2010, 10:45 AM

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And the ten commandments say Thou shall not commit adultery not thou shalt not marry someone of the same sex.

My whole point is, there is no state sponsored religion, and the "Christian values" that this country was founded on are up to debate. Christianity in and of itself has so many denomintions- which one gets to decide what moral compass we follow. Some think gay marriage is okay. I vote we follow that denomination!

Great. I never said there was anything in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality in the first place.

And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

AOII Angel · #2 04-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Great. I never said there was anything in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality in the first place.

And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

You are completely missing the point. You said we make most of our laws based on the ten commandments. I merely pointed out that the ten commandments expressly forbid adultery, but we don't have Christians running around trying to outlaw that now do we. The debate about religion came up because you used your religious beliefs as a reason for why gay marriage should not be legalized. If you don't like the validity of that view being debated, then keep it to yourself.
Religion itself has not been debated. No one here has said religion is bad or people are stupid for being religious. We've all just agreed to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves so they don't impinge on the free practice or lack of practice of religion of our fellow Americans.

MysticCat · #3 04-23-2010, 11:11 AM

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Wow. I never knew that. I don't listen to Jakes though, but I'm surprised to hear that. Are you sure?

Apparently he has been "accused" of promoting views deriving from Oneness Pentecostalism, which he denies. Read his article about it here.

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And furthermore, what is the point of this debate about religion?

You brought it up. You were asked why you thought same-sex marriage should not be legalized and you gave an answer based on religious beliefs.

deepimpact2 · #4 04-23-2010, 11:14 AM

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You brought it up. You were asked why you thought same-sex marriage should not be legalized and you gave an answer based on religious beliefs.

I gave my opinion based on it. As I just explained above, that was not my attempt to say that everyone should follow suit.

Amusing how people get so sensitive when religion is brought up.

Yes, most of our laws have sOME foundation in the Ten Commandments. That is NOT the same as saying that they were the sole guidance.

knight_shadow · #5 04-23-2010, 11:15 AM

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I gave my opinion based on it. As I just explained above, that was not my attempt to say that everyone should follow suit.

Amusing how people get so sensitive when religion is brought up.

Yes, most of our laws have sOME foundation in the Ten Commandments. That is NOT the same as saying that they were the sole guidance.

Aren't you doing the same thing?

VandalSquirrel · #6 04-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Aren't you doing the same thing?

Cue Ralph Tresvant...

knight_shadow · #7 04-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Cue Ralph Tresvant...

That song is still my jam.

deepimpact2 · #8 04-23-2010, 11:22 AM

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Aren't you doing the same thing?

Nope. I'm just annoyed because I don't see why my opinion should spark debate. People are getting caught up in discussion about church and state like folks don't already know about that.

knight_shadow · #9 04-23-2010, 11:30 AM

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Yep. And every blue moon someone actually gets prosecuted under that law.

I've heard of the antiquated sodomy laws, but this is the first I've heard of fornication laws existing. Interesting.

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Nope. I'm just annoyed because I don't see why my opinion should spark debate. People are getting caught up in discussion about church and state like folks don't already know about that.

That's one of the side effects of posting your opinions on a discussion board -- they cause people to discuss.

DrPhil · #10 04-23-2010, 11:48 AM

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Amusing how people get so sensitive when religion is brought up.

Amusing how people get so sensitive when people respond to them.

I see you as the sensitive one.

deepimpact2 · #11 04-23-2010, 11:11 AM

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You are completely missing the point. You said we make most of our laws based on the ten commandments. I merely pointed out that the ten commandments expressly forbid adultery, but we don't have Christians running around trying to outlaw that now do we. The debate about religion came up because you used your religious beliefs as a reason for why gay marriage should not be legalized. If you don't like the validity of that view being debated, then keep it to yourself.
Religion itself has not been debated. No one here has said religion is bad or people are stupid for being religious. We've all just agreed to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves so they don't impinge on the free practice or lack of practice of religion of our fellow Americans.

@the part in bold: You might want to double check that. My state has laws against adultery AND against fornication. There are other states that have done so as well.

And I was ASKED my opinion by ONE person. That was not my attempt to say that EVERYONE should follow suit. so no, your debate about religion was not necessary based on that.

knight_shadow · #12 04-23-2010, 11:15 AM

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My state has laws against ... fornication.

Word?

deepimpact2 · #13 04-23-2010, 11:24 AM

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Word?

Yep. And every blue moon someone actually gets prosecuted under that law.

And of course, with respect to adultery, even when there is no criminal prosecution, you can sue someone for sleeping with your spouse. And that IS still used pretty often.

AOII Angel · #14 04-23-2010, 11:35 AM

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Yep. And every blue moon someone actually gets prosecuted under that law.

And of course, with respect to adultery, even when there is no criminal prosecution, you can sue someone for sleeping with your spouse. And that IS still used pretty often.

These laws have been striken from the books in most places, are never enforced in others and are mocked when they are enforced. Saying that they get used "pretty often" is quite an over statement. In the end the number of people effected by these outdated laws that are not chapioned by any reputable religious group out there pales in comparison to the numbers effected by the ban on gay marriage.

deepimpact2 · #15 04-23-2010, 11:42 AM

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These laws have been striken from the books in most places, are never enforced in others and are mocked when they are enforced. Saying that they get used "pretty often" is quite an over statement. In the end the number of people effected by these outdated laws that are not chapioned by any reputable religious group out there pales in comparison to the numbers effected by the ban on gay marriage.

Unless you live in my state, you can't say it is an overstatement. Yes, people bring actions against people for sleeping with their spouses. The amount of cases in that area alone was enough to spend 4 weeks discussing in advanced torts.

And not all states have stricken those laws from the books. Apparently you are not as informed as you think you are.