Obama orders end to the practice of denying same-sex partners hospital visits

[Munchkin03]

Can't we just legalize gay marriage in all 50 states already? DUH.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Can't we just legalize gay marriage in all 50 states already? DUH.

I hope not. I definitely think they should be able to visit their loved one in the hospital, but I don't think that we should go so far as to legalize gay marriage.

And with respect to another question posed in the thread about why the government is involved in marriage, I suppose that is because so many things involved in marriage are intertwined with areas regulated by the government, so that's why they have so much "say" concerning marriage. But I do agree about the taxation issue. But then again, I don't just find it troublesome with how married people are taxed, I have problems with how EVERYONE is taxed.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I hope not. I definitely think they should be able to visit their loved one in the hospital, but I don't think that we should go so far as to legalize gay marriage.

Why?

And no I'm not asking to be inflammatory.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Why?

And no I'm not asking to be inflammatory.

No, I know you aren't trying to be inflammatory.

I just personally don't agree with it for religious reasons. Some try to spin it as homophobia but *Kanye shrug* that's not the case.

Interestingly enough I know some gay people in school with me right now who don't agree with gay marriage either because they feel that being gay is a sin. And engaging in a discussion with them about it was interesting. We have a LGBT club at school and they have almost become divided because of this difference in opinion.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, I know you aren't trying to be inflammatory.

I just personally don't agree with it for religious reasons. Some try to spin it as homophobia but *Kanye shrug* that's not the case.

Interestingly enough I know some gay people in school with me right now who don't agree with gay marriage either because they feel that being gay is a sin. And engaging in a discussion with them about it was interesting. We have a LGBT club at school and they have almost become divided because of this difference in opinion.

But religion has nothing to do with whether or not the state should recognize marriage between two consenting adults. Another couples marriage would have no bearing on your religious beliefs, on your marriage or on your life, so why do you even care if they get married? This is the United States of America, not the United States of Christianity. There are people here who have all kinds of beliefs, religious or otherwise, so legislating morality based on what your religion dictates is not democracy.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

But religion has nothing to do with whether or not the state should recognize marriage between two consenting adults. Another couples marriage would have no bearing on your religious beliefs, on your marriage or on your life, so why do you even care if they get married? This is the United States of America, not the United States of Christianity. There are people here who have all kinds of beliefs, religious or otherwise, so legislating morality based on what your religion dictates is not democracy.

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[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

But religion has nothing to do with whether or not the state should recognize marriage between two consenting adults. Another couples marriage would have no bearing on your religious beliefs, on your marriage or on your life, so why do you even care if they get married? This is the United States of America, not the United States of Christianity. There are people here who have all kinds of beliefs, religious or otherwise, so legislating morality based on what your religion dictates is not democracy.

I think KSUviolet asked for my PERSONAL opinion. Which means your discussion about church and state is not relevant.

But let's not forget that the country WAS founded on Christian principles. Most of the laws we follow have a foundation in the Ten Commandments.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I think KSUviolet asked for my PERSONAL opinion. Which means your discussion about church and state is not relevant.

But let's not forget that the country WAS founded on Christian principles. Most of the laws we follow have a foundation in the Ten Commandments.

And the ten commandments say Thou shall not commit adultery not thou shalt not marry someone of the same sex. My whole point is, there is no state sponsored religion, and the "Christian values" that this country was founded on are up to debate. Christianity in and of itself has so many denomintions- which one gets to decide what moral compass we follow. Some think gay marriage is okay. I vote we follow that denomination!

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, I know you aren't trying to be inflammatory.

I just personally don't agree with it for religious reasons. Some try to spin it as homophobia but *Kanye shrug* that's not the case.

Interestingly enough I know some gay people in school with me right now who don't agree with gay marriage either because they feel that being gay is a sin. And engaging in a discussion with them about it was interesting. We have a LGBT club at school and they have almost become divided because of this difference in opinion.

I'm really asking this to try to understand, not to try to start anything. I've heard the religious argument before but I don't understand why some people think their religious views should be imposed on others. If gay marriage were legalized, your church would not be required to perform gay marriage ceremonies. So I don't really understand what makes that a legitimate argument. Can you help me make sense of that? If it's a personal disagreement based on religious reasons, why wouldn't you just personally not engage in such an activity and not belong to a church that supports it? Why does that have to extend to everyone else?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

I'm really asking this to try to understand, not to try to start anything. I've heard the religious argument before but I don't understand why some people think their religious views should be imposed on others. If gay marriage were legalized, your church would not be required to perform gay marriage ceremonies. So I don't really understand what makes that a legitimate argument. Can you help me make sense of that? If it's a personal disagreement based on religious reasons, why wouldn't you just personally not engage in such an activity and not belong to a church that supports it? Why does that have to extend to everyone else?

I recognize that you aren't trying to start anything, but if I actually explain WHY, that would just start OTHERS on that path of sniping and backbiting. I don't want to do all of that. People start slinging allegations of homophobia even that's not even CLOSE to being the case. It is just too sticky.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I recognize that you aren't trying to start anything, but if I actually explain WHY, that would just start OTHERS on that path of sniping and backbiting. I don't want to do all of that. People start slinging allegations of homophobia even that's not even CLOSE to being the case. It is just too sticky.

Fair enough. Really wasn't trying to put you in an uncomfortable situation at all.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Interestingly enough I know some gay people in school with me right now who don't agree with gay marriage either because they feel that being gay is a sin.

I've known gay people who oppose gay marriage because they see it as buying into what society considers normative rather than standing in contrast (opposition?) to societal norms.

Just another example of the danger of assuming that everybody in any given "group" thinks alike.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I've known gay people who oppose gay marriage because they see it as buying into what society considers normative rather than standing in contrast (opposition?) to societal norms.

Just another example of the danger of assuming that everybody in any given "group" thinks alike.

And that's why everyone gets to have their own opinion. There are many in the gay community that don't buy into the monogamous, child-rearing lifestyle. To each his/her own.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And that's why everyone gets to have their own opinion. There are many in the gay community that don't buy into the monogamous, child-rearing lifestyle. To each his/her own.

Well hey when you phrase it like that, who can blame them? Sounds kinda dreary. It doesn't appeal to me either.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I've known gay people who oppose gay marriage because they see it as buying into what society considers normative rather than standing in contrast (opposition?) to societal norms.

Just another example of the danger of assuming that everybody in any given "group" thinks alike.

Amen.