kappa sigma at fgcu?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

You're right in thinking that Kappa Sigma is not that hard pressed for chapters. But, one of our earlier members once gave a speech that every Kappa Sigma learns, ends with "May we not rest contentedly until the Star and Crescent is the pride of every college and university in the land!"

This is something we still believe today.

In terms of waiting for university approval, that goes back to our original argument; we do not feel that the university has the grounds to prevent any lawful and peaceful organization from forming.

Now we push for the same rights, currently being given to those other fraternities on campus.

FGCU is a very young school, with an IFC that has only formed within the last few years. As a result, not every fraternity had to be "recognized" in order to form as a student organization; as there was no IFC to recognize them. With everything new, there are always things to be changed, as the initial rules or policies adapted from other areas, may not be right in the long term for that particular institution.

I think the bolded is the point of many of the dissenters.

Yeah, (general) you may think it sucks that these rules are in place, but that doesn't make them unconstitutional (as KSigAdvisor has stated several times). It's just one of those things that we as Greeks have to deal with. If (general) we REALLY want to get on FGCU's campus, we're simply going to have to follow the rules.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If (general) we REALLY want to get on FGCU's campus, we're simply going to have to follow the rules.

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

I meant that the group needs to accept the univeristy's rule (getting IFC approval before being approved as a GLO) instead of bashing FGCU and claiming that it's infringing on students' civil liberties.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I meant that the group needs to accept the univeristy's rule (getting IFC approval before being approved as a GLO) instead of bashing FGCU and claiming that it's infringing on students' civil liberties.

And on that point, is where we're both going to disagree.

You can certainly follow what is written; but just because a policy is "accepted" doesnt make it right. A fraternity shouldnt have to ask permission from another fraternity (or set of fraternities) in order to form on a campus. Should they have to follow school rules, supply all the written documentation and not interfere with the education of any other student? Absolutely. But, the "rules" currently in place are by a student organization for that student organization to follow, not by the school itself. That particular organization does have the right to include/exclude membership from the organization itself; but not from campus.

I also havent seen a written rule, that says a fraternity at FGCU must be part of the IFC. This has only been explained orally; never in writing. (Granted, it's possible I just havent found the FGCU policy)

I repeat, IFC can pick and chose who it wants to be part of the IFC. But, IFC does not have the right to determine whether a student group can be on campus. That is the very reason the RSO application form has fraternity/sorority listed as an option; despite the questions of single-sex status.

That is essentially our stance on the matter.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

Did y'all follow Article II, Section 2, part b for provisional colonies? (document last dated 12/08)

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...L_-_120908.pdf

From what I could google it seems that the Greek Life Expansion Committee has some input, and that may be the issue.

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...LEC_Bylaws.pdf

Lastly, is the FLA still operating as an umbrella org.? I couldn't find anything when I googled.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Did y'all follow Article II, Section 2, part b for provisional colonies? (document last dated 12/08)

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...L_-_120908.pdf

From what I could google it seems that the Greek Life Expansion Committee has some input, and that may be the issue.

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...LEC_Bylaws.pdf

Lastly, is the FLA still operating as an umbrella org.? I couldn't find anything when I googled.

Is there a link to the RSO bylaws, Rambler?

I remember glancing at this, but didn't really read it. The fact that KS wasn't even offered provisional membership makes me think that there are other things that occurred that haven't been brought up here.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Did y'all follow Article II, Section 2, part b for provisional colonies? (document last dated 12/08)

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...L_-_120908.pdf

From what I could google it seems that the Greek Life Expansion Committee has some input, and that may be the issue.

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...LEC_Bylaws.pdf

Lastly, is the FLA still operating as an umbrella org.? I couldn't find anything when I googled.

VandalSquirrel - There is nothing in the guidelines that discusses how a colony should be formed. Simply that if the IFC itself wishes to expand to a new chapter; how a new chapter would be recognized. There is a penalty section, that should a chapter initiate members without being recognized it will not be formally recognized for 3-5 years (depending on the situation).

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Is there a link to the RSO bylaws, Rambler?

I remember glancing at this, but didn't really read it. The fact that KS wasn't even offered provisional membership makes me think that there are other things that occurred that haven't been brought up here.

If there are RSO bylaws, I dont see them listed on the Student Involvement page. http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Stud...ement/rso.html