kappa sigma at fgcu?

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

I think that one should be obvious by now... We do not feel the school's position is correct. Kappa Sigma absolutely does want to be part of the FGCU greek system; and it is having its place there; as requested by the students.

Kappa Sigma made a decision to support the students who wanted this fraternities presence at FGCU, despite the uphill battle they knew it would be.

In terms of the NIC; each of the members at FGCU have given their support nationally to Kappa Sigma; even knowing that Kappa Sigma is not a member of NIC. I believe it shows that giving this support to a non-member; is evident that open expansion is the wish of all nationals. I believe that almost all, if not all actually gave this support in writing. The only one I am not 100% sure if we have a written letter from is Sigma Chi - however I know that they at least did provide a verbal pledge of support for Kappa Sigma at FGCU.
So, no Kappa Sigma is not part of NIC; but every member still supports Kappa Sigma.

Rambler -

I understand the position that Kappa Sigma took. I really, truly do (despite your advisor calling me unAmerican and a person no one should be proud of).

The point I was trying to make in the post where I listed the choices is that even if you didn't agree with FGCU, Kappa Sigma still had choices. Can you see from an outsiders perspective that even if Choice #1 wasn't the Sunshine and Ponies choice, it would have gotten y'all where you wanted eventually. Even if the time frame wasn't clear. My point was, why was waiting such a bad choice? That's one of the questions I wanted answered.

Choice #2 is what many from an outside perspective are seeing. That you refused to wait (asked and denied in November, colonized in December) and in doing so, made it look you were not respectful to the Administration's wishes. I was trying to get your advisor to see how actions on your part might be looked at by the Administration and others.

The whole NIC thing. When advisor first came on, he blasted me and a couple of others with how we were not following NIC resolutions of open expansion. The point that I and Knight_Shadow have been trying to make to him is that it looks hyprocritical for a group that left the NIC to ask for NIC support and quote NIC resolutions, when you are not wanting to be in the NIC (not IFC).

No one here is against expansions or for colonies being treated unfairly. No one here is rooting for Kappa Sigma colony at FGCU to fail. But, your fellow KS brother is not winning your cause any fans.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

The point I was trying to make in the post where I listed the choices is that even if you didn't agree with FGCU, Kappa Sigma still had choices. Can you see from an outsiders perspective that even if Choice #1 wasn't the Sunshine and Ponies choice, it would have gotten y'all where you wanted eventually. Even if the time frame wasn't clear. My point was, why was waiting such a bad choice? That's one of the questions I wanted answered.

Simply put; because Kappa Sigma was supporting the interest of the students who wanted to form as Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Kappa Sigma didnt look at FGCU and wonder why there wasnt a chapter there; the students unhappy with the choices at FGCU contacted Kappa Sigma.

I dont think its an understatement to say that since college students are only students for a certain number of years; for Kappa Sigma to truly support these men, waiting an unknown amount of time was not the option they felt (and still feel) was best.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Simply put; because Kappa Sigma was supporting the interest of the students who wanted to form as Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Kappa Sigma didnt look at FGCU and wonder why there wasnt a chapter there; the students unhappy with the choices at FGCU contacted Kappa Sigma.

I dont think its an understatement to say that since college students are only students for a certain number of years; for Kappa Sigma to truly support these men, waiting an unknown amount of time was not the option they felt (and still feel) was best.

I would hope that Kappa Sigma's expansion chair/committee looked at more than "OMG, this group of students that we don't know won't get the chance to be Greek!" when making the decision to expand to FGCU.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I would hope that Kappa Sigma's expansion chair/committee looked at more than "OMG, this group of students that we don't know won't get the chance to be Greek!" when making the decision to expand to FGCU.

Certainly, that was just the short answer. It wasnt a matter of if they could be greek or not, they could have joined other fraternities already established on campus; but they wanted Kappa Sigma.

Beyond that, Kappa Sigma requires a lengthy checklist be completed prior to being able to become a fully chartered chapter. Whether or not they have the same requirments, I'm sure this type of list is not uncommon in the greek system.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Certainly, that was just the short answer. It wasnt a matter of if they could be greek or not, they could have joined other fraternities already established on campus; but they wanted Kappa Sigma.

Beyond that, Kappa Sigma requires a lengthy checklist be completed prior to being able to become a fully chartered chapter. Whether or not they have the same requirments, I'm sure this type of list is not uncommon in the greek system.

I was being facetious, but that comment does go back to some of the previous posts. It's hard to believe that KS is THAT hard-pressed for chapters that they couldn't follow the University's guidelines and wait.

And in my organization, having the university's approval is one item on the checklist. If the school is against expansion, we move on. If they tell us to wait, we will wait.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I was being facetious, but that comment does go back to some of the previous posts. It's hard to believe that KS is THAT hard-pressed for chapters that they couldn't follow the University's guidelines and wait.

And in my organization, having the university's approval is one item on the checklist. If the school is against expansion, we move on. If they tell us to wait, we will wait.

You're right in thinking that Kappa Sigma is not that hard pressed for chapters. But, one of our earlier members once gave a speech that every Kappa Sigma learns, ends with "May we not rest contentedly until the Star and Crescent is the pride of every college and university in the land!"

This is something we still believe today.

In terms of waiting for university approval, that goes back to our original argument; we do not feel that the university has the grounds to prevent any lawful and peaceful organization from forming.

Now we push for the same rights, currently being given to those other fraternities on campus.

FGCU is a very young school, with an IFC that has only formed within the last few years. As a result, not every fraternity had to be "recognized" in order to form as a student organization; as there was no IFC to recognize them. With everything new, there are always things to be changed, as the initial rules or policies adapted from other areas, may not be right in the long term for that particular institution.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

You're right in thinking that Kappa Sigma is not that hard pressed for chapters. But, one of our earlier members once gave a speech that every Kappa Sigma learns, ends with "May we not rest contentedly until the Star and Crescent is the pride of every college and university in the land!"

This is something we still believe today.

In terms of waiting for university approval, that goes back to our original argument; we do not feel that the university has the grounds to prevent any lawful and peaceful organization from forming.

Now we push for the same rights, currently being given to those other fraternities on campus.

FGCU is a very young school, with an IFC that has only formed within the last few years. As a result, not every fraternity had to be "recognized" in order to form as a student organization; as there was no IFC to recognize them. With everything new, there are always things to be changed, as the initial rules or policies adapted from other areas, may not be right in the long term for that particular institution.

I think the bolded is the point of many of the dissenters.

Yeah, (general) you may think it sucks that these rules are in place, but that doesn't make them unconstitutional (as KSigAdvisor has stated several times). It's just one of those things that we as Greeks have to deal with. If (general) we REALLY want to get on FGCU's campus, we're simply going to have to follow the rules.