kappa sigma at fgcu?

[rex in effect]

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony. Their nationals looked at the area and found that there were enough chapters close by, a good number of alumni in the area, and a good number of students interested. Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms. Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities. Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Couple of things:

#1 - Not the same as Sigma Chi at George Mason. We were on campus as a recognized fraternity and got kicked off for myriad of reasons. HQ felt that the campus kicked us off without justification (I don't know all the reasons, so I can't argue them). Sigma Chi is currently unrecognized by GMU, but recognized by HQ. We did not ask to come on to campus, be asked to wait, and then said "To hell with you, we are going to colonize anyway."

#2- I won't even start on the sorority aspect. I am intrigued by the argument that there have been "so many failed sorority colonizations". The NPC, whether you agree with all of their rules or not, have their sh** (pardon me, ladies of GC) down pat. While I won't argue that every so often a colonization fails, I think history has proven that the majority of colonizations succeed and thrive.


Here is what I see the main issue: Why couldn't Kappa Sigma wait to colonize? In a totally serious question, is Kappa Sigma so desperate for colonies that it couldn't wait? Obviously, the answer is no.

Kappa Sigma chose to colonize for a campus that had a clear rule that stated that if a fraternity colonized without permission, they would have to wait 5 years for recognition. But, it looks like Kappa Sigma feels that they shouldn't have to wait or play by rules they don't agree with.

Also, go back to my question for KSig Advisor: Kappa Sigma doesn't want to be in the NIC, but apparently wants to use NIC policies and expects NIC support. Then, rejoin the NIC.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony.

So the colony members went completely around the school to form this colony.

Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms.

NIC=/=IFC.

Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities.

So they want a completely unrecognized orginzation to have access to the campus facilities.

Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

Yo, it's not all about size, or it shouldn't be. That comment alone makes me think KS is doing this for the wrong reason.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony. Their nationals looked at the area and found that there were enough chapters close by, a good number of alumni in the area, and a good number of students interested. Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms. Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities. Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

*Kappa Sigma national didn't have to take on the group of guys. They should have looked at what the rules were for FGCU.

*"They don't want to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be." You are right. But, then why ask other fraternities to help them? And, according to the news report, none of the campus fraternities voted for their recognition. So, I guess it wasn't just Sigma Chi.

I'm editing my original post due to a sarcastic comment I made and what could be perceived as an attack on a 3rd fraternity.

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

#2- I won't even start on the sorority aspect. I am intrigued by the argument that there have been "so many failed sorority colonizations". The NPC, whether you agree with all of their rules or not, have their sh** (pardon me, ladies of GC) down pat. While I won't argue that every so often a colonization fails, I think history has proven that the majority of colonizations succeed and thrive.

THANK YOU. I didn't want to reply because I wouldn't have put it so nice.

Originally Posted by rex in effect

All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities.

Then make yourself a RSO, restricted to the same principles as Kappa Sigma.

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

FTW.

[33girl]

What do you consider "failed" sorority colonizations? At FGCU or where? At many schools, it has nothing to do with the way the sororities expand - it has to do with the rushees being narrow minded and only wanting certain groups. The way of choosing a group in expansion is NOT something thought up by the school, it is completely through NPC. FGCU's attempt to limit the number of campus orgs is not the same thing as NPC expansion.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but a sorority girl cannot tell a fraternity how to operate. Panhellenic expansion is also something I have seen. There have been so many failed sorority colonizations its not even funny. IFC and Panhellenic rules and regulations are way different. Panhellenic rules and recruitment are unreal. I went to UCF, but I now attend Texas State and I have seen sorority recruitment. The whole process is odd. Instead of you going out for a single sorority, you have to sit through them all. You can possibly end up in the sorority you didn't want because its the only one to give you a bid. Speaking for schools in the south, I've seen girls get burned out by their sororities. They spend too much time living in fear of the rules instead of enjoying their time and making memories. This is why sororities have such a high rate of girls dropping out. This is also why the number of men that stay involved in their fraternities after graduation is way higher than the number of women who stay involved in their sororities after they graduate. Sorority girls have a totally different mindset on these types of issues, which is why they may not understand the issue. What is happening with Kappa Sigma at FGCU would never happen if it was a sorority. I gurantee a group of women who wanted to start a sorority would not succeed because a sorority national hq wouldn't even give them a colony without approval of the campus. The Fort Myers colony, soon to be Rho Zeta chapter will get recognized by FGCU eventually.

This is completely untrue, and you must have the brain capacity of a toad if you don't get the basic concepts of NPC recruitment and colonization and how they work (and how they thrive). It's not that hard. PNMs with no greek family members and no frame of reference understand it better than you do.

[FSUZeta]

just for the record, there have only ever been three npc sororities at fgcu and they are all doing very well.

now if fgcu would just allow some greek housing......

[rex in effect]

This argument is going no where. I'm gonna walk away before it gets really heated. I don't wanna see things get out of control. We all have our opinions on the issue. I'm gonna end it at this. Its not a matter of if Kappa Sigma will be recognized by FGCU. Its a matter of when. The university will eventually recognize them. Like you mentioned Lanesig, they did a similar off campus colonization and chapter at Arkansas-Fort Smith. They were eventaully recognized by the school.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

This argument is going no where. I'm gonna walk away before it gets really heated. I don't wanna see things get out of control. We all have our opinions on the issue. I'm gonna end it at this. Its not a matter of if Kappa Sigma will be recognized by FGCU. Its a matter of when. The university will eventually recognize them. Like you mentioned Lanesig, they did a similar off campus colonization and chapter at Arkansas-Fort Smith. They were eventaully recognized by the school.

See you in 5 years

[rex in effect]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

See you in 5 years

I gurantee its gonna happen a lot sooner than that. Just wait and see. I won't go into details.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

This argument is going no where. I'm gonna walk away before it gets really heated. I don't wanna see things get out of control. We all have our opinions on the issue. I'm gonna end it at this.

Oh, this is nothing compared to what can happen around here -- this isn't even lukewarm yet.

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

Yesterday, you won at life.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

just for the record, there have only ever been three npc sororities at fgcu and they are all doing very well.

now if fgcu would just allow some greek housing......

Working on it! Friends in facilities planning tell me its in the works

[FSUZeta]

that is good news!! you all deserve it.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

Well said Brother!

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

I gurantee its gonna happen a lot sooner than that. Just wait and see. I won't go into details.

I'm not interested in debating or discussing the whole situation, but as an aside, do you think what you've posted on GC is something Kappa Sigma and FGCU administration would look favorably upon? If I was associated with a group who had some crappy people who already made things difficult, and I was fighting a system I found unfair, I wouldn't want to draw attention to myself.

Plus I know big squirrels would come out of all kinds of trees.