kappa sigma at fgcu?

[rex in effect]

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony. Their nationals looked at the area and found that there were enough chapters close by, a good number of alumni in the area, and a good number of students interested. Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms. Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities. Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Couple of things:

#1 - Not the same as Sigma Chi at George Mason. We were on campus as a recognized fraternity and got kicked off for myriad of reasons. HQ felt that the campus kicked us off without justification (I don't know all the reasons, so I can't argue them). Sigma Chi is currently unrecognized by GMU, but recognized by HQ. We did not ask to come on to campus, be asked to wait, and then said "To hell with you, we are going to colonize anyway."

#2- I won't even start on the sorority aspect. I am intrigued by the argument that there have been "so many failed sorority colonizations". The NPC, whether you agree with all of their rules or not, have their sh** (pardon me, ladies of GC) down pat. While I won't argue that every so often a colonization fails, I think history has proven that the majority of colonizations succeed and thrive.


Here is what I see the main issue: Why couldn't Kappa Sigma wait to colonize? In a totally serious question, is Kappa Sigma so desperate for colonies that it couldn't wait? Obviously, the answer is no.

Kappa Sigma chose to colonize for a campus that had a clear rule that stated that if a fraternity colonized without permission, they would have to wait 5 years for recognition. But, it looks like Kappa Sigma feels that they shouldn't have to wait or play by rules they don't agree with.

Also, go back to my question for KSig Advisor: Kappa Sigma doesn't want to be in the NIC, but apparently wants to use NIC policies and expects NIC support. Then, rejoin the NIC.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony.

So the colony members went completely around the school to form this colony.

Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms.

NIC=/=IFC.

Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities.

So they want a completely unrecognized orginzation to have access to the campus facilities.

Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

Yo, it's not all about size, or it shouldn't be. That comment alone makes me think KS is doing this for the wrong reason.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by rex in effect

My mistake on Sigma Chi at George Mason. I apalogize. But the fact that Kappa Sigma colonized off campus is that it wasn't that their nationals came to FGCU wanting to start. The students went to Kappa Sigma asking to start. Like I said, they are a fraternity based off of student interest. The students wanted it. You ask why they couldn't wait? Many of their members are upperclassmen. They are about to graduate soon. Its not fair that they can't be in a fraternity because the school doesn't think the time is right. The students went straight to nationals and asked nationals to give them a colony. Their nationals looked at the area and found that there were enough chapters close by, a good number of alumni in the area, and a good number of students interested. Their issue is not trying to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be. Kappa Sigma, along with Phi Delta Theta broke away from the NIC on their own terms. Kappa Sigma has left many campus IFCs on their own terms because they saw it as a waste. All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities. Kappa Sigma's national rules are a lot different than Sigma Chi's when it comes to colonizing. Don't get me wrong, Sigma Chi is a great fraternity. But who's doing better nationally? Kappa Sigma. Its the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Kappa Sigma is way ahead of Sigma Chi nationally.

*Kappa Sigma national didn't have to take on the group of guys. They should have looked at what the rules were for FGCU.

*"They don't want to be a part of FGCU's IFC. They don't have to be." You are right. But, then why ask other fraternities to help them? And, according to the news report, none of the campus fraternities voted for their recognition. So, I guess it wasn't just Sigma Chi.

I'm editing my original post due to a sarcastic comment I made and what could be perceived as an attack on a 3rd fraternity.

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

[jennyj87]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

#2- I won't even start on the sorority aspect. I am intrigued by the argument that there have been "so many failed sorority colonizations". The NPC, whether you agree with all of their rules or not, have their sh** (pardon me, ladies of GC) down pat. While I won't argue that every so often a colonization fails, I think history has proven that the majority of colonizations succeed and thrive.

THANK YOU. I didn't want to reply because I wouldn't have put it so nice.

Originally Posted by rex in effect

All the Fort Myers,FL colony wants to do is be able to meet on campus and use campus facilities. They are all students at the university and they pay their tuition to go there. Therefore they should be allowed to use campus facilities.

Then make yourself a RSO, restricted to the same principles as Kappa Sigma.

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

FTW.

[33girl]

What do you consider "failed" sorority colonizations? At FGCU or where? At many schools, it has nothing to do with the way the sororities expand - it has to do with the rushees being narrow minded and only wanting certain groups. The way of choosing a group in expansion is NOT something thought up by the school, it is completely through NPC. FGCU's attempt to limit the number of campus orgs is not the same thing as NPC expansion.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

I appreciate your comment about Sigma Chi being a great fraternity. I happen to think so, too.

You are implying that Kappa Sigma is better than Sigma Chi because you are the 3rd largest fraternity in the nation. Let me assure you that I hope, pray, and wish that Sigma Chi HQ never wants to be the "largest national fraternity", or 2nd, or 3rd, or 10th, or 42nd. I hope that Sigma Chi never chooses to colonize willy nilly in the hopes that we can be the largest. I sincerely don't want that. I want the directors of my fraternity to love our fraternity enough that they think carefully and honestly in every situation in order to decide what is best for us.

So, good luck to you in your quest to be whatever position in the "Top 10 Largest" you hope to be. But, please, don't ever be mistaken in thinking that Sigma Chi wishes to be in that race with you.

Well said Brother!