Is it true that most Greek men are gay ?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by VJDTropical

Meany

Not a meany, just telling you that this is a site about fraternities and sororities, aka Greeks, NOT Greece! We don't know many REAL Greeks, therefore, aren't experts in the sexuality of their men. As a physician, however, I can tell you that in the general population, homosexuality is under 10% so the likelihood that ALL Greek men are gay is poor. Also, considering that ancient Greeks were polythiests and modern Greeks are overwhelmingly Greek Orthodox, which don't approve of homosexuality, I doubt that there is a general societal "homosexuality is best" mentality. Now, like 33girl said, run along!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

As a physician, however, I can tell you that in the general population, homosexuality is under 10%....

I'm not sure what being a physician has to do with it, but I don't trust any attempts (not yours, but in general) to throw a percentage on the homosexuality in the general popualation. "Under 10%" is most likely underreported and based on a poor conceptualization of "homosexuality" and data sources.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm not sure what being a physician has to do with it, but I don't trust any attempts (not yours, but in general) to throw a percentage on the homosexuality in the general popualation. "Under 10%" is most likely underreported and based on a poor conceptualization of "homosexuality" and data sources.

I think that it is pretty good estimation, in fact. I think that homosexuality, when not just experimentation but true homosexuality, is a genetic/programmed/born with (however you want to phrase it since we haven't discovered the exact cause yet) trait and not a choice. I threw in as a physician, because I was pointing out my thoughts from a medical and not a religious or societal viewpoint. That percentage is fairly consistent across many studies. If you choose to disagree, that may be your choice, but I choose to disagree with you.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

If you choose to disagree, that may be your choice, but I choose to disagree with you.

Uh...ok. Thanks, you now have the choice to read my response or ignore it.

I am also not speaking based on a religious and moral standpoint. I am speaking based on the subjectivity of research (across disciplines) and the inability of researchers (across disciplines) to adequately conceptualize and operationalize "homosexuality." Studies have yet to close the debate regarding whether homosexuality is genetic, choice, or a combination. Moreover, sexuality and sexual orientation are social as well as biological, which is partly why the medical field has yet to reliably address whether someone is homosexual based on thoughts and desires or outward manifestations/behaviors. How to capture either in research is a daunting task and I'm sure the research that you're talking about addresses the limitations of drawing conclusions from the data.

In other words, don't necessarily run around saying homosexuals comprise less than 10% of the population without acknowledging the context in which those conclusions were drawn.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Uh...ok. Thanks, you now have the choice to read my response or ignore it.

I am also not speaking based on a religious and moral standpoint. I am speaking based on the subjectivity of research (across disciplines) and the inability of researchers (across disciplines) to adequately conceptualize and operationalize "homosexuality." Studies have yet to close the debate regarding whether homosexuality is genetic, choice, or a combination. Moreover, sexuality and sexual orientation are social as well as biological, which is partly why the medical field has yet to reliably address whether someone is homosexual based on thoughts and desires or outward manifestations/behaviors. How to capture either in research is a daunting task and I'm sure the research that you're talking about addresses the limitations of drawing conclusions from the data.

In other words, don't necessarily run around saying homosexuals comprise less than 10% of the population without acknowledging the context in which those conclusions were drawn.

Trust me...I know all about that part of the argument. I don't live in a bubble. I still stand behind my statement. You aren't schooling me in the issues behind homosexuality. Gosh...really, some people don't admit to being gay?! Research is as obtuse as asking a subset of people, "So are you gay or straight?" And if I want to make a statement without a two page disclaimer, I can. The likelihood that their is significant discrepancies from the 10% line is very low. How far from that line do you propose the true line is? 15% 20% 50% I'm not talking about Kinsey's spectrum, either. True single preference homosexuality is realistically under 10% of the population with bisexuality and a spectrum added in going over that. In the end, none of this changes what my original statement was....NO, it is not likely that ALL Greek men are homosexual!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In the end, none of this changes what my original statement was....NO, it is not likely that ALL Greek men are homosexual!

If that DUH moment was the only thing you said (your only point) then I wouldn't have responded.

As for the overall tone of your posts, shut up and stop trying to make this dialogue about you.

[VJDTropical]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Trust me...I know all about that part of the argument. I don't live in a bubble. I still stand behind my statement. You aren't schooling me in the issues behind homosexuality. Gosh...really, some people don't admit to being gay?! Research is as obtuse as asking a subset of people, "So are you gay or straight?" And if I want to make a statement without a two page disclaimer, I can. The likelihood that their is significant discrepancies from the 10% line is very low. How far from that line do you propose the true line is? 15% 20% 50% I'm not talking about Kinsey's spectrum, either. True single preference homosexuality is realistically under 10% of the population with bisexuality and a spectrum added in going over that. In the end, none of this changes what my original statement was....NO, it is not likely that ALL Greek men are homosexual!

I think that in the world only about 1 to 5 % is homosexual and then some bissexuals

But even though all Greek men may not be homosexual maybe there is a huge proportion of them
Everytime I google '' Ancient Greece sex '' all of the homosexual things come up first

It takes me some time to find heterosexuality there

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by VJDTropical

I think that in the world only about 1 to 5 % is homosexual and then some bissexuals

But even though all Greek men may not be homosexual maybe there is a huge proportion of them
Everytime I google '' Ancient Greece sex '' all of the homosexual things come up first

It takes me some time to find heterosexuality there

Why in God's name would you google "Ancient Greece sex"? And why would come here and tell us all about it? Internet perv!! Ineternet perv!!! I NEED A GROWN UP!!!!