Most Competitive Greek Systems?

ComradesTrue · #1 12-03-2009, 01:58 PM

I don't think anyone- including HDL- is critizing the system, or dissing on (ahem) "lower tier" groups, or saying that PNMs are entitled to certain chapters. If I am reading HDL correctly, she (he?) is simply stating that providing a stat such as "percentage of PNMs who get their first choice" can be misleading. I personally agree with that statement.

Of course it would be impossible to know, without a survey and 1600 completely honest PNMs, to know what percentage of PNMs received a bid to their first choice when considering all groups on campus and not just those that liked the PNM enough to invite them back to pref. Again, I don't think HDL, or anyone, is proposing such a survey or stat. Instead, if I am reading the post correctly, he/she is simply seeking a clarification of the statement to read that "87% of PNMs received a bid to their first choice out of houses that they preffed" or something to that effect.

As someone who lives outside of the state of Alabama, but who writes recs for PNMs that will be attending that school every year, I have seen first hand the unfortunate misconception that many of these naive 18 year olds have. They literally have the idea that "we get to pick the houses that we like" (aka ranking for RFM, with no concept that the houses TOO are doing some cutting). In addition, I have had several of them attempt to inform me that "almost everyone" gets into the house that they want. These are not those "I think I am better than you" type of PNMs... these are sweet girls who have just not grown up knowing much about Alabama rush, and who only know what they hear at orientation and read on the Greek Life website.

To clarify- I don't think that anything is wrong with the Alabama recruitment system. Nothing. But I have seen my share of sweet, naive-to-the-system 18 year olds completely misunderstand that one statistic. A simple clarification of what that statistic really refers to (pref night "first choice") would go a long way towards giving the PNMs a more realistic picture of the recruitment process.

HDL- If I have misrepresented your intent, my apologies.

ETA- and FWIW I *do* think that 87% of PNMs receiving their first choice after pref is an excellent placement rate. Kuddos to Bama for that.

HDL66 · #2 12-03-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Blondie93

I don't think anyone- including HDL- is critizing the system, or dissing on (ahem) "lower tier" groups, or saying that PNMs are entitled to certain chapters. If I am reading HDL correctly, she (he?) is simply stating that providing a stat such as "percentage of PNMs who get their first choice" can be misleading. I personally agree with that statement.

Of course it would be impossible to know, without a survey and 1600 completely honest PNMs, to know what percentage of PNMs received a bid to their first choice when considering all groups on campus and not just those that liked the PNM enough to invite them back to pref. Again, I don't think HDL, or anyone, is proposing such a survey or stat. Instead, if I am reading the post correctly, he/she is simply seeking a clarification of the statement to read that "87% of PNMs received a bid to their first choice out of houses that they preffed" or something to that effect.

As someone who lives outside of the state of Alabama, but who writes recs for PNMs that will be attending that school every year, I have seen first hand the unfortunate misconception that many of these naive 18 year olds have. They literally have the idea that "we get to pick the houses that we like" (aka ranking for RFM, with no concept that the houses TOO are doing some cutting). In addition, I have had several of them attempt to inform me that "almost everyone" gets into the house that they want. These are not those "I think I am better than you" type of PNMs... these are sweet girls who have just not grown up knowing much about Alabama rush, and who only know what they hear at orientation and read on the Greek Life website.

To clarify- I don't think that anything is wrong with the Alabama recruitment system. Nothing. But I have seen my share of sweet, naive-to-the-system 18 year olds completely misunderstand that one statistic. A simple clarification of what that statistic really refers to (pref night "first choice") would go a long way towards giving the PNMs a more realistic picture of the recruitment process.

HDL- If I have misrepresented your intent, my apologies.

ETA- and FWIW I *do* think that 87% of PNMs receiving their first choice after pref is an excellent placement rate. Kuddos to Bama for that.

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Thank you.