Most Competitive Greek Systems?

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by LXA SE285

I love how some of the most selective SEC schools wear their exclusivity as a perverse badge of honor and even complain that they're not competitive enough already: "We had 1,600 girls go through, and somehow 700 still slid through the cracks!"

No complaints here. Out of all the women who participated in Bama's Recruitment this year 83% received bids and of those 87% got their first choice.

Nearly 12% of all PNMs voluntarily withdrew presumably because they weren't happy with their remaining choices. But that was their choice and not a matter of sliding through the cracks.

[HDL66]

Originally Posted by Zillini

No complaints here. Out of all the women who participated in Bama's Recruitment this year 83% received bids and of those 87% got their first choice.

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses they had left. There is a HUGE difference.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by HDL66

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses they had left. There is a HUGE difference.

But would it really help if they emphasized "first choice remaining after the last party"? I doubt it. People hear what they want to hear before recruitment starts and only really figure out what was meant as the rounds go on.

Other than not having quota or total so that "top" houses could give more bids than the others, what more could a school like Bama do to match girls? There's nothing that I can think of really.

Sure, they could release even more statistical information so that girls might be able to weigh their chances before recruitment started, but I think it would prejudice PNMs more strongly about the groups in question.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by HDL66

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses who wanted them. There is a HUGE difference.

Fixed.

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by HDL66

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses they had left. There is a HUGE difference.

PNMs who are not happy with the choices they have left are free to withdraw. The real question is do you want to be Greek or do you want to be an XYZ? Besides, just because you want something doesn't me you're entitled to get it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Zillini

PNMs who are not happy with the choices they have left are free to withdraw. The real question is do you want to be Greek or do you want to be an XYZ? Besides, just because you want something doesn't me your entitled to get it.

excellent point.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by HDL66

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses they had left. There is a HUGE difference.

Would you like to be in a house full of girls who didn't want you to be their sister? If your answer is yes, what on earth are you joining a sorority for?

[HDL66]

I'm not sure why some people got their hackles up by my calling out Panhellenic's BS. Nowhere does Zillini's original statement:

Originally Posted by Zillini

Out of all the women who participated in Bama's Recruitment this year 83% received bids and of those 87% got their first choice.

indicate that those 87% got anything other than their overall first choice from recruitment. My complaint is that that is exactly the insinuation that Panhellenic likes to make. "Spin" as O'Reilly would say.

Thank you SWTXBelle for taking my comment at its face value.

It's clear people didn't particularly like my comment, but no one took issue with its actual merit. Here are the responses.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But would it really help if they emphasized "first choice remaining after the last party"? I doubt it. People hear what they want to hear before recruitment starts and only really figure out what was meant as the rounds go on.

I don't know if it would help, but I don't think assuming people won't comprehend the truth justifies bending it.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Other than not having quota or total so that "top" houses could give more bids than the others, what more could a school like Bama do to match girls? There's nothing that I can think of really.

I never said I had a better idea for the member selection process, but that's not what we were talking about.

Originally Posted by Zillini

PNMs who are not happy with the choices they have left are free to withdraw. The real question is do you want to be Greek or do you want to be an XYZ? Besides, just because you want something doesn't me your entitled to get it.

OK, you switched from telling us that 87% of your pledging PNMs got their first choice, to telling me that "just because you want something doesn't mean you are entitled to get it." How does that defend your original statement? I never said girls were ENTITLED to their first pick. I just said that a whole lot more than 13% don't get it!!

Originally Posted by 33girl

Would you like to be in a house full of girls who didn't want you to be their sister? If your answer is yes, what on earth are you joining a sorority for?

????? Um, no. And just because a girl gets cut doesn't necessarily mean the house didn't want them for a sister. How many threads have been devoted to heavy RFM cuts early on without getting to know girls etc.

Originally Posted by HDL66

This is Panhellenic party line nonsense. 87% of those receiving bids did NOT get their first choice, they got their first choice of the houses they had left. There is a HUGE difference.

I will stand by my statement. I really didn't mean for it to be inflammatory, but instead to correct misinformation. Truth be told, I agree with most of your responses. It's just that they don't relate to the 87% assertion.

I initially responded mostly because I have been unhappy with my own school's Panhellenic for years for broadcasing the very same statements to our PNMs. It just rubs me the wrong way.