Hofstra Gang Rape Hoax

[Low C Sharp]

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.
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[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.

Perfect.

ETA: I didn't ever claim that she legally couldn't consent for whatever that's worth. Maybe I do go too far using the idea of "impairment" rather than just limiting to horribly self-destructive behavior that no one should help her with.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.

Annie Sprinkles sounds like a porn name.