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srmom 09-17-2009 04:43 PM

Hofstra Gang Rape Hoax
 
What do y'all think of this -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_289774.html

Thank heavens for these boys that one of them filmed it on their camera - but YUCK! The whole thing is just nasty - consensual or not!

Also, was that film headed for YouTube?? :eek:

Living in 2009 - strange world!!

UGAalum94 09-17-2009 05:29 PM

I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

AGDee 09-17-2009 10:29 PM

I get very angry at the woman when this type of thing happens. Although it shouldn't, it affects the credibility of ALL women so that when another young woman really IS gang raped, people think of cases like this and wonder if they are lying. And, what is the motive in lying about something like this???

Little32 09-17-2009 11:29 PM

^^Not to mention that these kinds of charges ruin lives, even if they are ultimately found to be untrue. The accused continue to carry that stigma.

Of course, in this situation, they should probably bear some sort of stigma, because that is nasty and troubling all around.

DrPhil 09-17-2009 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1848179)
I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

Just to be clear:

Since you're proposing that it may not be in the normal range of behavior for both men and women, that means that all 6 participants are either dumb perverts or mentally and emotionally unstable. Or, both.

What's good for the goose (women) is good for the gander (men). And vice versa.

Psi U MC Vito 09-18-2009 12:45 AM

I hope they press charges on her. She could have ruined the lives of those involved, not to mention that the time that was spent investigating her case could have been used ot help real victims.

KSig RC 09-18-2009 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1848179)
I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

It's not so much a "repressive view of female sexuality" as much as it is simply a horrifically near-sighted and egocentric view of other people.

Kevin 09-18-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1848305)
I hope they press charges on her. She could have ruined the lives of those involved, not to mention that the time that was spent investigating her case could have been used ot help real victims.

This.

rhoyaltempest 09-18-2009 05:26 PM

this is really sad and judging by the comments, this will give many an excuse to say that most women lie about rape when in fact many women who have been raped don't report it at all.

PeppyGPhiB 09-18-2009 08:13 PM

Unfortunately I think this also encourages men to video sexual encounters without a woman's knowledge.

DrPhil 09-18-2009 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1848606)
Unfortunately I think this also encourages men to video sexual encounters without a woman's knowledge.

Then women may make it known that they were filmed without their knowledge. They should not say that the sex was nonconsensual because they are embarassed and have regrets (if that's what happened in this instance).

Since she has recanted her story and there is no evidence to the contrary, this all boils down to women and men being more selective and cautious when it comes to sex; and not just when it comes to birth control and wearing protection. Casual sex changes in meaning and consequences with changes in social norms and technology.

UGAalum94 09-18-2009 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1848291)
Just to be clear:

Since you're proposing that it may not be in the normal range of behavior for both men and women, that means that all 6 participants are either dumb perverts or mentally and emotionally unstable. Or, both.

What's good for the goose (women) is good for the gander (men). And vice versa.

Yeah I'm suggesting that, but for very different reasons.

I think perhaps a significant percentage of men (maybe not a majority) wouldn't mind attempting a sexual encounter with five women. I don't think that makes them abnormal because for the most part, and I think studies bear this out, more men than women are comfortable with simply physical encounters and aren't bothered by the idea of being perceived as "sluts." (This may be a bad thing socially, but it doesn't mean it's untrue.)

On the other hand, I don't think the majority of men want to be part of a five guy posse involved with sex with a crazy person.

So I think it means something bad and unhealthy about everyone involved, but not exactly the same bad and unhealthy thing.

UGAalum94 09-18-2009 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1848475)
It's not so much a "repressive view of female sexuality" as much as it is simply a horrifically near-sighted and egocentric view of other people.

Please explain.

ETA: I'm just thinking about this more. Do you think it is normal in the sense of being in the statistical middle to want to have this kind of encounter if you are female? Do you think the majority of women who would consent are healthy and unimpaired? Or is it egocentric of me to assume that it would be a positive thing generally if people didn't try to have sex with people when that sex was likely to be harmful to the other person?

Or is it just my easy willingness to pass judgment of other people's sexual behavior?

PeppyGPhiB 09-19-2009 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1848611)
Then women may make it known that they were filmed without their knowledge. They should not say that the sex was nonconsensual because they are embarassed and have regrets (if that's what happened in this instance).

Since she has recanted her story and there is no evidence to the contrary, this all boils down to women and men being more selective and cautious when it comes to sex; and not just when it comes to birth control and wearing protection. Casual sex changes in meaning and consequences with changes in social norms and technology.

I don't think you understood what I meant. This gives some guys a "convenient" excuse to video women without their knowledge in the future, ("Oh, I video all my partners cuz I don't want to get a rape charge! <wink wink>. Want to see some of my best work?").

I don't approve of what this woman did, or other women who cry rape when it was consentual. Not only did this chick make women open to more speculation, but she also might have encouraged more men to video sex with ladies without consent, which is NOT OK.

DrPhil 09-19-2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1848688)
I don't think you understood what I meant.

I did, and was picking up where your point left off.


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