Hofstra Gang Rape Hoax

[DrPhil]

KSig said concomitant and tacit. That was pretty HOT.

[Low C Sharp]

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.
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[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.

Perfect.

ETA: I didn't ever claim that she legally couldn't consent for whatever that's worth. Maybe I do go too far using the idea of "impairment" rather than just limiting to horribly self-destructive behavior that no one should help her with.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I'm midway between UGAAlum and DrPhil on this. I do think that, descriptively, the women who choose to engage in bathroom gangbangs in 2009 are very likely on a course of self-destruction, often due to past sexual abuse. There are a few Annie Sprinkles out there who truly find it joyous and empowering to have sex with strangers in public. I'd bet a lot of money that this accuser is a self-hater, not an Annie Sprinkle. However, I don't think this self-destruction vitiates consent. A self-destructive adult is still an adult and capable of understand the consequences of saying yes or no. She's just making bad choices.

That being said, I don't think consent is the end of the moral analysis the way it's the end of the legal analysis. I think it's morally wrong to assist others with their self-destruction, no matter how much they may want you to. What these men did was akin to giving Twinkies to a guy with severe diabetes because it's fun to watch him pass out. It's legal, and they have the diabetic guy's enthusiastic consent to do it, but it's cruel and immoral to take advantage of someone else's vulnerability for your own benefit.

On a slightly different note, I think filing a false report is an extremely serious crime, and I hope she is prosecuted.

Annie Sprinkles sounds like a porn name.

[srmom]

All psychobabble aside - Having sex with a group of guys, or girls-if it works out for you (in parlance - pulling a train) in a public bathroom is gross!

Think of the germs!!!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

All psychobabble aside - Having sex with a group of guys, or girls-if it works out for you (in parlance - pulling a train) in a public bathroom is gross!

Think of the germs!!!

On so many different levels. Haven't they heard about the flu epidemic?

ETA: in terms of thread substance, I feel like things have conversationally run their course. I enjoyed talking about this with you all though. Thanks.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by srmom

All psychobabble aside - Having sex with a group of guys, or girls-if it works out for you (in parlance - pulling a train) in a public bathroom is gross!

Think of the germs!!!

Well, all juvenile characterization aside ("OMG sex in public places is gross!"), it's interesting to see the issue discussed intelligently. I may have my own opinions, but it's interesting to see another perspective intelligently discussed.

Also...is it a new thing around here to officially declare a thread discussion finished? There have been a couple of threads where that's happened lately.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Well, all juvenile characterization aside ("OMG sex in public places is gross!"), it's interesting to see the issue discussed intelligently. I may have my own opinions, but it's interesting to see another perspective intelligently discussed.

Also...is it a new thing around here to officially declare a thread discussion finished? There have been a couple of threads where that's happened lately.

I didn't mean to do that so much as to let people know I personally was retiring from this particular discussion.

Sorry if it it came off as if I was trying to rule it dead.

[Low C Sharp]

Annie Sprinkle IS a porn name -- she's an example of that (in my opinion) rare woman who is out there having sex with strangers in public for all the right reasons.

there is nothing that will be passed down biologically if it isn't genetic

That isn't true. Just as one example, if a woman is exposed to tons of mercury, and ten years later she gets pregnant and has a baby, her mercury buildup can not only affect the child's development, but the child may be born with an excess of mercury, too. There are all kinds of non-genetic problems that can be passed on to offspring down the line.
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[srmom]

Well, all juvenile characterization aside ("OMG sex in public places is gross!"),

Considering we teach our children from an early age to wash their hands after using the potty, I would think they'd know that germs abound in the bathroom - and a public one is just teeming with germs.

I wasn't trying to close the discussion - just adding my (juvenile at 45) viewpoint.

BTW, having sex in public places - whatever. Having sex in a public bathroom GROSS!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by srmom

Considering we teach our children from an early age to wash their hands after using the potty, I would think they'd know that germs abound in the bathroom - and a public one is just teeming with germs.

I wasn't trying to close the discussion - just adding my (juvenile at 45) viewpoint.

BTW, having sex in public places - whatever. Having sex in a public bathroom GROSS!

Yeah I got you to mean that it was unsanitary, which it definitely is.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by srmom

Considering we teach our children from an early age to wash their hands after using the potty, I would think they'd know that germs abound in the bathroom - and a public one is just teeming with germs.

I wasn't trying to close the discussion - just adding my (juvenile at 45) viewpoint.

BTW, having sex in public places - whatever. Having sex in a public bathroom GROSS!

Considering you sought fit to dismiss the other opinions as "psychobabble," I thought we had reached the point in the discussion where we were using derogatory terms to refer to other people's viewpoints.

I get your point, though.

[srmom]

Considering you sought fit to dismiss the other opinions as "psychobabble,"

Hyper-sensitive, much? I was just kidding.

I actually enjoyed reading the reparte', even the diatribe. I just couldn't get over the public bathroom part...

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by srmom

Hyper-sensitive, much? I was just kidding.

FYI: you're doing it again ... he's hyper-sensitive for thinking you were being dismissive with awkward one-liners in a thread that included detailed examinations of psychological and developmental phenomena?

I actually enjoyed reading the reparte', even the diatribe. I just couldn't get over the public bathroom part...

We noticed.