Jon and Kate Plus Eight

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by OTW

Wow...hanging out at Gosselins Without Pity, are we?

I don't think anyone is to "blame" for having 8 kids. If a couple really wanted so bad to be parents, who's to stop them from having kids? I don't think either of them knew that a) they'd get a hit reality show, b) have their lives turned upside down, or c) that they'd split up when they went in for fertility treatments.

If Jon really wanted to be with another woman, at least dump her first. There is no excuse and no good reason to cheat on your spouse.

Phyllis, are you okay? This anger and hatred toward someone on reality TV is very unlike you.

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

If this were the other way around and Jon were treating Kate like that, all you (general) women would be crying mental abuse, but since it's a woman doing it to a man, it means she's got a "strong personality" and he's a tool/douchebag/etc. A woman can have a strong personality and not belittle her husband, being a complete bitch to him in front of their kids. How do you think the kids would respect the father if that had continued? One day these kids will look back, maybe see the episodes, and see their mother for what she is. A heartless bitch.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

One day these kids will look back, maybe see the episodes, and see their mother for what she is. A heartless bitch.

Yikes.

Really now?

I don't even feel that way about people I know in REAL life. I'd never wish for the kids to hate either of them.

I will say that whether you love her or hate her, Kate definitely ends up looking like the smarter one when she appears on TV by avoiding certain questions and having "canned" answers.

People are reacting to Jon more simply because he is putting more out there in the media and doesn't appear to be concerned with projecting a certain image. If she were doing the same thing, she'd be receiving the samr types of reactions from people.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Yikes.

Really now?

I don't even feel that way about people I know in REAL life.

I know! I agree. I have people that have done shady things to me, stabbed me in the back etc, but I don't hate them. Hate is such a strong word, especially for people you've never met.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

Thing is Jon never stood up for himself...instead he decided to cheat. He wants to not be married to Kate anymore, whatever, but to cheat on your wife and then publicly talk about how much you despise her is not "sticking up for yourself." Jon is a stupid little boy who doesn't like the idea with the idea of being a grown ass man. He can't deal with the fact that he's 33 (or however old he is) and has a family he needs to take care of. Fool hasn't even worked in a while, he took full advantage of the situation he was placed in--the same situation he's bitching about how he couldn't "deal" with it, and blah blah blah.

Having a family was what the Gosselins wanted (even though Jon wasn't too enthused with the idea of the sextuplets), and Jon decided that he didn't want that life and up and left. I seriously doubt Kate morphed into this "raging bitch" overnight. So I don't buy all of Jon's whining and complaining about how he was "verbally abused" and couldn't take it anymore.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I've been personally affected by a "Kate". I've seen a "Kate" treat a "Jon" the same way and it's really sad. It's when a "Jon" finally sticks up for themself, that problems in the marriage start.

If this were the other way around and Jon were treating Kate like that, all you (general) women would be crying mental abuse, but since it's a woman doing it to a man, it means she's got a "strong personality" and he's a tool/douchebag/etc. A woman can have a strong personality and not belittle her husband, being a complete bitch to him in front of their kids.

Freaking amen. I'm so over these castrating "women" (I don't even want to claim them in my gender).

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by OTW

That's really sad to wish that for someone. I really hope these kids continue to love their mother despite what people like you think of her.

I would never wish that on someone, on the benefit of the children. No child, no matter what age, should have to deal with hating their parents. Before this whole debacle, before Jon started acting like a douchebag, Kate treated him like crap. Maybe had they cut the show, supposedly like Jon had wanted, then it wouldn't have gotten to this point. No matter how much I dislike someone, I'd never wish them bad.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

As in most divorces, there is fault on both sides, and this case is no different. Both of these people have a TON of baggage - some of which Jon touched on when mentioning his alcoholic father, another is whatever is the situation with Kate and her estranged family. IMO, and I am sure I will be flamed for this, anyone who has relationship issues as large as these two do with their own siblings and family members, is going to have one heck of a time maintaining a healthy marriage unless they get help.

They needed marriage counseling - Jon says he has gone and she has refused. I don't know what the truth is, but at the very least, if they had gotten some sort of counseling about their own personal issues, then they might have been in an emotionally good place to work on their marital issues. As it stands, they both still need independent counseling sessions to prepare for the problems they are undoubtedly going to have with their children.

Kate is overbearing and Jon is immature. Both are selfish.

I was just thinking about their families. If it's that bad that your own family turns their back on you, and from what we've read earlier in this thread that their church did too (or that they thought badly of her? can't remember), that's pretty sad.