Dr. Henry Louis Gates Arrested

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Obama spoke his mind and pissed people off. (some because he spoke and others because of what he said.) Calling the officers actions stupid wasnt wrong or out of line. It was true and it was his opinion.
Obama bought some beers to pay for it.

My only concern is...Is BudLight the cheapest beer available? It's a recession.

I think the issue is that when you're President, there are certain times when you shouldn't speak your mind. He can have whatever opinion he wants; I'm sure Presidents Clinton, Bush, etc. had personal opinions on certain issues. As President, though, he loses some ability to publicly step into the fray.

Bud Light definitely isn't the cheapest beer available; it would have been funny to see him sipping a Genny Cream Ale or Beast, though, haha.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the issue is that when you're President, there are certain times when you shouldn't speak your mind. He can have whatever opinion he wants; I'm sure Presidents Clinton, Bush, etc. had personal opinions on certain issues. As President, though, he loses some ability to publicly step into the fray.

Bud Light definitely isn't the cheapest beer available; it would have been funny to see him sipping a Genny Cream Ale or Beast, though, haha.

The owners of Gennessee brewery actually made a public statement that they wanted him to drink Genny Cream Ale. Ick.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by agzg

The owners of Gennessee brewery actually made a public statement that they wanted him to drink Genny Cream Ale. Ick.

I have to say, out of all of the REALLY cheap beers (not counting PBR, which I actually enjoy), I always liked Genny Cream Ale the best. It actually was a running joke among my college friends (including KSigRC). It's not like it was the first choice, but if I had 10 bucks to spend on a 30 rack, I would probably get Genny Cream Ale.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the issue is that when you're President, there are certain times when you shouldn't speak your mind. He can have whatever opinion he wants; I'm sure Presidents Clinton, Bush, etc. had personal opinions on certain issues. As President, though, he loses some ability to publicly step into the fray.

This would really go without saying if it wasn't Obama.

The Obama Effect.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

DrPhil, have you ever tried Framboise? It's a raspberry Belgian beer. Quite yummy, even to those who don't have a taste for beer.

I have not. Thanks for the suggestion. I will report my findings.

(If it tastes good, is it counted as beer? You know how snobby beer lovers can be.)

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This would really go without saying if it wasn't Obama.

The Obama Effect.

Honestly though he was in the wrong for taking any kind of stand. I mean for goodness sakes he is a lawyer and politician. He should know how to avoid answering a question. The right answer should have just been "This is not a federal matter and I have not formed an opinion."

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I have not. Thanks for the suggestion. I will report my findings.

(If it tastes good, is it counted as beer? You know how snobby beer lovers can be.)

Haha...it definitely can be counted as beer.

For an idea on the number of varieties of beer out there, take a look at this: www.beeradvocate.com . There are beers containing fruits, chocolate, etc. I won't disagree that there are beer snobs out there though, as I can be one of them sometimes.

Framboise would be a good start. You may also want to try something like Harpoon Rasberry Hefeweizen (if it's available in your area) or Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. Chocolate stouts could also be an option - some of them taste a lot like chocolate milk.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Honestly though he was in the wrong for taking any kind of stand. I mean for goodness sakes he is a lawyer and politician. He should know how to avoid answering a question.

exactly.

[PrettyInPink777]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

Hmm, seems like this cop is an idiot:







Yes I'm sure you have black friends

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090730...iversitypolice

I may be late on this but ...Has anyone heard the L A M E non-apology that this joker gave on Larry King? I just heard it and it is breath-taking in its mendacity. First of all, he never apologized to Prof. Gates. ...and, yeah right, he didn't know why he used the terms 'banana-eating jungle monkey', he never used them before, and those words had no racial overtones. Please move away from him, because he is surely going to be struck by lightning!

If I knew how to put the link in my message, I would. (I just may have to figure it out)

Okay ...I'm done.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PrettyInPink777

I may be late on this but ...Has anyone heard the L A M E non-apology that this joker gave on Larry King? I just heard it and it is breath-taking in its mendacity. First of all, he never apologized to Prof. Gates. ...and, yeah right, he didn't know why he used the terms 'banana-eating jungle monkey', he never used them before, and those words had no racial overtones. Please move away from him, because he is surely going to be struck by lightning!

If I knew how to put the link in my message, I would. (I just may have to figure it out)

Okay ...I'm done.

Now, all he needs to say is "some of my best friends are Black."

tangent/

People say all sorts of things when they are talking to family and friends/acquaintances. No big deal. He should've kept his comments out of the context of police officer + email correspondence. Same with Obama keeping his opinions out of the context of POTUS + reporters.

What bothers me is the influx of these unimportant things in the media. I think certain things should be under-known or at least be relegated to TMZ and Inside Edition. I don't need to see it on CNN, etc. If they insist on reporting it, it should be a news snippet. There HAS to be a hierarchy of "news" as to not make America even dumbererer than it is.

/tangent

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Now, all he needs to say is "some of my best friends are Black."

tangent/

People say all sorts of things when they are talking to family and friends/acquaintances. No big deal. He should've kept his comments out of the context of police officer + email correspondence. Same with Obama keeping his opinions out of the context of POTUS + reporters.

What bothers me is the influx of these unimportant things in the media. I think certain things should be under-known or at least be relegated to TMZ and Inside Edition. I don't need to see it on CNN, etc. If they insist on reporting it, it should be a news snippet. There HAS to be a hierarchy of "news" as to not make America even dumbererer than it is.

/tangent

I actually agree with this logic. I love this country and all the freedoms that we are guaranteed, but I have serious problems with the freedom of the press. I agree that the press should have the right to be free in what they choose to report. But they also I feel have a responsibility to make sure what is reported is something that is just cold hard fact, and of import or at least relevant to the average joe. I feel that the press has strayed from that responsibility.

/soapbox

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the issue is that when you're President, there are certain times when you shouldn't speak your mind. He can have whatever opinion he wants; I'm sure Presidents Clinton, Bush, etc. had personal opinions on certain issues. As President, though, he loses some ability to publicly step into the fray.

Bud Light definitely isn't the cheapest beer available; it would have been funny to see him sipping a Genny Cream Ale or Beast, though, haha.

I fully understand why he should/ should not have given his opinion. As president he is expected to be 'the voice and face of America' and probably shouldnt go speaking his mind all the time. While others may say that they value a man in office who doesnt keep you guessing about how he feels. As a person and as president I think Obama is way more open than he should be. Its not a bad thing, but it does allow people more opportunity to pick at stuff. If he's asked a question he'll answer it "honestly" whether most people wouldnt have or think he shouldnt or not. That is one approach. My point is that he's not out of line to speak his mind. Its probably not best, but its not wrong. Also he should have addressedd the overarching issue of racial profiling only and not this particular situation.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Now, all he needs to say is "some of my best friends are Black."

tangent/

People say all sorts of things when they are talking to family and friends/acquaintances. No big deal. He should've kept his comments out of the context of police officer + email correspondence. Same with Obama keeping his opinions out of the context of POTUS + reporters.

What bothers me is the influx of these unimportant things in the media. I think certain things should be under-known or at least be relegated to TMZ and Inside Edition. I don't need to see it on CNN, etc. If they insist on reporting it, it should be a news snippet. There HAS to be a hierarchy of "news" as to not make America even dumbererer than it is.

/tangent

It'd be better if he said "I had a black roommate" or "I had black friends in Highschool". LOL

Why Dr. Phil do you mean to tell me that CNN should not cover Beyonce falling down the steps at her concert as the hot news item for the day all day?

There was reason to report the incident with Gates because he's gates, but making it this big is really whack. Ultimately Gates is not the poster child for profiling. Yellow journalism at its best.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I fully understand why he should/ should not have given his opinion. As president he is expected to be 'the voice and face of America' and probably shouldnt go speaking his mind all the time. While others may say that they value a man in office who doesnt keep you guessing about how he feels. As a person and as president I think Obama is way more open than he should be. Its not a bad thing, but it does allow people more opportunity to pick at stuff. If he's asked a question he'll answer it "honestly" whether most people wouldnt have or think he shouldnt or not. That is one approach. My point is that he's not out of line to speak his mind. Its probably not best, but its not wrong. Also he should have addressedd the overarching issue of racial profiling only and not this particular situation.

Yes if he had addressed racial profiling as a whole, then it would have been fine. The problem is that Obama seems to have trouble remembering he is the President. I think it's perfectly fine for Barack Obama to form opinions, for that is his right. However the President of the United States shouldn't be forming opinions on something that was essentially a muncipal matter. He leads the country, and should only be concerned with issues that affect the country as a whole.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

AOII LB-Framboise also comes in Peach, Black and regular Cherry, and a couple of other flavors (although raspberry was my first, too). I highly recommend Peach and do not recommend Black Cherry.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What bothers me is the influx of these unimportant things in the media. I think certain things should be under-known or at least be relegated to TMZ and Inside Edition. I don't need to see it on CNN, etc. If they insist on reporting it, it should be a news snippet. There HAS to be a hierarchy of "news" as to not make America even dumbererer than it is.
/tangent

Ah, the joys of having a 24 hour news cycle.