Eight Founding schools or seven? (Change on Wikipedia)

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ECUGSS

I understand that no one owns the page, but you DO know you aren't a member and even though you may feel that you have good information, I personally don't feel that it is your place (or anyone that isn't a member) to go in there to edit our stuff - especially now that it should be VERY clear to you that we got under control. It just seems like you go out of your way to question and dig on things that really aren't things that we are going to put on there. We do not need to post all of our information out there just to satisfy curious minds... if you want to know - join the sorority.

I'm very aware that I'm not a member of Gamma Sigma Sigma, however with Cherry Blossom Alumni Chapter currently inactive and feeling unsuitable as an advisor to either Alpha Eta or Zeta Sigma my options would be limited even if I wished to.

I have no wish to publish any information that is private to the sorority on Wikipedia. If I were to find a copy of the rituals of Gamma Sigma Sigma, my first action would be to call the 800 number in the footer of the pages on the Gamma Sigma Sigma National website.

[ECUGSS]

Originally Posted by naraht

I'm very aware that I'm not a member of Gamma Sigma Sigma, however with Cherry Blossom Alumni Chapter currently inactive and feeling unsuitable as an advisor to either Alpha Eta or Zeta Sigma my options would be limited even if I wished to.

I have no wish to publish any information that is private to the sorority on Wikipedia. If I were to find a copy of the rituals of Gamma Sigma Sigma, my first action would be to call the 800 number in the footer of the pages on the Gamma Sigma Sigma National website.

1. Greater Baltimore Alumni Chapter is active...
Alpha Eta/Zeta Sigma - you'd only be able to join if you were going to school (which I doubt) at either one; you'd be able to serve as a faculty advisor if you worked at either school (which I doubt) but even so, that doesn't mean you are a member of the sorority
2. It is good to know that if you found a copy of our rituals you'd call... please do call if you find one, that would be interesting to say the least.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ECUGSS

1. Greater Baltimore Alumni Chapter is active...
Alpha Eta/Zeta Sigma - you'd only be able to join if you were going to school (which I doubt) at either one; you'd be able to serve as a faculty advisor if you worked at either school (which I doubt) but even so, that doesn't mean you are a member of the sorority
2. It is good to know that if you found a copy of our rituals you'd call... please do call if you find one, that would be interesting to say the least.

I'm aware of GBAC, but I didn't know if their area of coverage expanded when Cherry Blossom went inactive.

I'm a little confused by the statement that you made after that. Are faculty advisors members of the sorority or not? (And you are correct, I'm not a faculty member or student at either Alpha Eta (Howard U) or Zeta Sigma (McDaniel C), but those are my two closest schools with GSS chapters. (I live about 10 miles north of Washington DC.

Actually, the other option that sprang to mind on the idea of finding a copy of the GSS rituals would be to send it straight to Lynne Mowers. I know she has attended rituals for both of our organizations.

[ECUGSS]

Hmm. I guess the creators of the website are intentionally trying to confuse then. I just located the image as being at http://www.gammasigmasigma.org/images/founders.jpg

Yes, maybe so. I am still not explaining this further.

I understand that, however for APO depending on how you count the founding, it ends either at the end of the day of the initial chartering, the day months later when BSA recognized us or even six years later when H. Roe Bartle took over as the second president from Frank Reed Horton.

So if the founding period for GSS is counted as something beyond just those three days, I thought it might include the first National Convention.

We are not APO so it doesn't matter how APO does it. You know we consider our Founder's Day to be October 12, 1952 so why bring up APO in this discussion.

I'm aware of GBAC, but I didn't know if their area of coverage expanded when Cherry Blossom went inactive.

We do not have territories and boundaries for membership in alumni chapters. Period. Cherry Blossom at one point had a member in KY. We have 2 alumni chapters in the same city. I could go on and on, but won't as not necessary. Point - no territories.

I'm a little confused by the statement that you made after that. Are faculty advisors members of the sorority or not?

No, faculty advisors are just that...faculty of the school...some schools require organizations to have them (faculty advisors)so our chapters have them...why would we give them automatic membership??? Don't answer that. But the answer is no, they are not members of the sorority; not automatically, if the advisor happens to have been a GSS in college and is now alumni, then obviously they are a member of the sorority and a faculty advisor. Also, if the chapter granted them honorary membership, they'd be a member but we don't have that happening all of the time.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ECUGSS

Yes, maybe so. I am still not explaining this further.



We are not APO so it doesn't matter how APO does it. You know we consider our Founder's Day to be October 12, 1952 so why bring up APO in this discussion.



We do not have territories and boundaries for membership in alumni chapters. Period. Cherry Blossom at one point had a member in KY. We have 2 alumni chapters in the same city. I could go on and on, but won't as not necessary. Point - no territories.



No, faculty advisors are just that...faculty of the school...some schools require organizations to have them (faculty advisors)so our chapters have them...why would we give them automatic membership??? Don't answer that. But the answer is no, they are not members of the sorority; not automatically, if the advisor happens to have been a GSS in college and is now alumni, then obviously they are a member of the sorority and a faculty advisor. Also, if the chapter granted them honorary membership, they'd be a member but we don't have that happening all of the time.

Hmm. In regards to founders, it seems that the emphasis in GSS is on the organizations/schools represented at the Beekman tower, not the women who were at the meeting. But a picture like that would tend to emphasize the women rather than their organizations (not easy to tell from the picture which women are from where) so it might not be an image that would be particularly publicized... Might cut down on the degree of founder worship that you find in some GLOs...


OK, GSS's Founder's day is what GSS says it is...

No territories, but what happens if the membership of a Alumni Chapter keeps shifting in one direction (say Cherry Blossom kept taking members and meeting farther and farther south...) Limited to within the GSS District? (not sure if DC was in the District V or District IV prior to the District change at the 2009 convention.

Being a faculty advisor doesn't make one a member of the sorority. Hmm. At least for the social fraternities and sororities at my alma mater, the school risk management practices said that they had to have advisors at the rituals.

[ECUGSS]

Originally Posted by naraht

Hmm. In regards to founders, it seems that the emphasis in GSS is on the organizations/schools represented at the Beekman tower, not the women who were at the meeting. But a picture like that would tend to emphasize the women rather than their organizations (not easy to tell from the picture which women are from where) so it might not be an image that would be particularly publicized... Might cut down on the degree of founder worship that you find in some GLOs...


OK, GSS's Founder's day is what GSS says it is...

No territories, but what happens if the membership of a Alumni Chapter keeps shifting in one direction (say Cherry Blossom kept taking members and meeting farther and farther south...) Limited to within the GSS District? (not sure if DC was in the District V or District IV prior to the District change at the 2009 convention.

Being a faculty advisor doesn't make one a member of the sorority. Hmm. At least for the social fraternities and sororities at my alma mater, the school risk management practices said that they had to have advisors at the rituals.

Territories... Alums have the right to join whichever alum group... we have no district/state/city/county/zip code/area code, etc boundaries. It is not an issue for our organization. As I said, we have 2 in one city alone. It may be an issue in other organizations, but we do not have any issues with that. DC was and is still part of District 4.

As far as advisors---we both know that we are not a social sorority and thus this is not even a point that should be discussed further. We have certain types of memberships and certain things that must happen to get one of those... the virtue of you being an advisor does not make you a member of our organization.

The photo is already out there for our members... I don't believe I've ever encountered one member that has "founder worship" over the photo. It is a photo, taken that weekend. I think members are more excited about the fact that the photo was found and shared than whether or not that is an actual representation of our founding members, etc.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ECUGSS

Territories... Alums have the right to join whichever alum group... we have no district/state/city/county/zip code/area code, etc boundaries. It is not an issue for our organization. As I said, we have 2 in one city alone. It may be an issue in other organizations, but we do not have any issues with that. DC was and is still part of District 4.

As far as advisors---we both know that we are not a social sorority and thus this is not even a point that should be discussed further. We have certain types of memberships and certain things that must happen to get one of those... the virtue of you being an advisor does not make you a member of our organization.

The photo is already out there for our members... I don't believe I've ever encountered one member that has "founder worship" over the photo. It is a photo, taken that weekend. I think members are more excited about the fact that the photo was found and shared than whether or not that is an actual representation of our founding members, etc.

Thank you for the information on District 4.

I find the situation about the advisors to be fascinating, but given the fact that I don't think the GSS National bylaws are in a publicly available area of the web, I'll just move on.

I was probably unclear in regards to the "founder worship". I've seen cases in various GLOs (including, but not limited to NPHC groups and Alpha Phi Omega of the Philippines) ascribing almost Demigod Status to some if not all of the original founding members of the GLO. I find the complete lack of this type of "founder worship" in Gamma Sigma Sigma to be very refreshing.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by naraht

Being a faculty advisor doesn't make one a member of the sorority. Hmm. At least for the social fraternities and sororities at my alma mater, the school risk management practices said that they had to have advisors at the rituals.

A faculty advisor is not the same as a Chapter advisor. Chapter advisors work on behalf of the fraternity or sorority, while a faculty advisor usually liaisons between the campus and the organizations.

In both organizations of which I am a member (Gamma Sigma Sigma and Alpha Xi Delta), only initiated members witness rituals.

[ECUGSS]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

A faculty advisor is not the same as a Chapter advisor. Chapter advisors work on behalf of the fraternity or sorority, while a faculty advisor usually liaisons between the campus and the organizations.

In both organizations of which I am a member (Gamma Sigma Sigma and Alpha Xi Delta), only initiated members witness rituals.

In GSS, we consider chapter advisors and faculty advisors the same thing. We also have chapter consultants that ARE. Members of the sorority