Sarah Palin to resign as Alaska governor

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Were you around for Dan Quayle?

I was... and that's about how bad this was... times 4.

I was, but I don't see it as anything like the personal nature of the criticism of Palin. He was hammered for being dumb, but I never once heard critiques of his personal appearance as whatever the masculine equivalent of "slutty" is. He could have his family at appearance and I don't remember them being attacked.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I was, but I don't see it as anything like the personal nature of the criticism of Palin. He was hammered for being dumb, but I never once heard critiques of his personal appearance as whatever the masculine equivalent of "slutty" is. He could have his family at appearance and I don't remember them being attacked.

and being hammered for dumb wasnt enough?

it's really hard to make a point by point comparison of Quayle vs Palin. I think the bottom line is that critics of Palin saw her as ill prepared (you know I said it enough times) and wrong on so many levels to be VP and what she is doing right now by resigning with no solid explanation is enforcing that point.

[Munchkin03]

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. But, sometimes it does make a difference. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? What if I hadn't researched colleges very well and found the perfect school for me right away? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

This seems like kind of strange to me.

Her CV is out there. She has a political record to use for evaluation, but you want to look at her pattern of college attendance and make a judgment on that?

Do you submit records for all the classes you took on your CV? Basically, I'm wondering that if they really looked at Palin the way you're suggesting people look at you, wouldn't all they see is the college she graduated from and the work she'd done since graduation?

I'm surprised that it's college background that clients want on you now. I can completely understand wanting to see the projects people had worked on previously if I were hiring in your field though. What I imagine will happen is the longer you work, the more your name will be associated with certain projects and people will be able to quit asking.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

This seems like kind of strange to me.

Do you submit records for all the classes you took on your CV? Basically, I'm wondering that if they really looked at Palin the way you're suggesting people look at you, wouldn't all they see is the college she graduated from and the work she'd done since graduation?

I'm surprised that it's college background that clients want on you now. I can completely understand wanting to see the projects people had worked on previously if I were hiring in your field though. What I imagine will happen is the longer you work, the more your name will be associated with certain projects and people will be able to quit asking.

It may be strange but, unfortunately, it's the truth. It's happened more than once. I do suspect that it will calm down as I get older, but will never go away (for those other two pesky reasons). Come on, you really think they're concerned with what classes I took in college? They look for reasons to get rid of me. When the resume is irontight, they have nothing else to complain about.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

Honestly? I had more pressing issues to be concerned with her about, like her politics and the fact that she couldn't even hold her own in an interview with Katie Freaking Couric. I'm sure the school thing came up and while I didn't shoot it down, I just saw it as less important. Now that she can't even finish up a single term as governor, it's just more of the same.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by bluefish81

Then, there's this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...08+PRN20081105

I didn't doubt SNL, The Daily Show, Stephen Colbert, etc. could have influence some people, but I'm saddened by how lazy and uneducated people have let themselves become. Especially when information is so easily available.

Welcome to American Politics. It absolutely shocks me how many people can't even tell you who their own basic representatives are, let alone those in another state.

FWIW, I wasn't thrilled about the naming of Sarah Palin as the VP contender, but kept quiet about it (certain GC people can vouch for that). The spoofs on her - which entirely too many people believed as truth, not spoofs - just made a bad situation worse. Frankly, the older man/younger MILF combination was a little creepy. Yet, while I will respect the Office of the President and Vice President, I'm still not convinced that the men currently holding these offices are the best that the United States has to offer.

I'm an American, and I want the very best for America. Nobody can convince me that the four people who represented the two major parties were the best this country has to offer. [/soapbox]

Now to the topic at hand:
I have a feeling that Sarah Palin may be pregnant. Has anyone noticed the clothing she's worn for "interviews" this weekend? The overalls, the waders, the loose dress - I wouldn't be at all surprised. I'm more surprised by the nasty remarks still made about her.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I'm an American, and I want the very best for America. Nobody can convince me that the four people who represented the two major parties were the best this country has to offer. [/soapbox]

That's all very dramatic and all that, but you're far from the only person on this board who felt that way (myself included). I think that was very much a topic of conversation on the board, and the only people who seemed thrilled by the results of the primaries were Pres. Obama's supporters.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Now to the topic at hand:
I have a feeling that Sarah Palin may be pregnant. Has anyone noticed the clothing she's worn for "interviews" this weekend? The overalls, the waders, the loose dress - I wouldn't be at all surprised. I'm more surprised by the nasty remarks still made about her.

Let's just say that any of those items aren't that ridiculous to be wearing. I wish you could see the "fashion" I wore last summer in Alaska. All three of those items I wore, for various reasons. I did my best to not be a complete disaster though.

ETA: Umm she was fishing in a remote area, why wouldn't she be wearing waders while fishing? That's what people do Fourth of July weekend, they go fishing. She'd be criticized for wearing something else, so this is lose/lose.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

It may be strange but, unfortunately, it's the truth. It's happened more than once. I do suspect that it will calm down as I get older, but will never go away (for those other two pesky reasons). Come on, you really think they're concerned with what classes I took in college? They look for reasons to get rid of me. When the resume is irontight, they have nothing else to complain about.

Does the information that you provide include the classes that you took? Really? I wonder if that's a field based thing. I've only seen degrees, employment history, courses taught, papers published, kind of stuff on CVs. I've never seen a transcript kind of thing. Is the listing of courses common in your field?

It's odd that it seems like they want to get rid of you, rather than they want to see what you've done. Or is that already in your presentation and they're asking for even more substantiation when they ask for the CV?

The race/ethnicity and gender stuff may never completely go away, but at least as you built a professional reputation, who you are will be understood in advance by more and more people that you work with.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Does the information that you provide include the classes that you took? Really? I wonder if that's a field based thing. I've only seen degrees, employment history, courses taught, papers published, kind of stuff on CVs. I've never seen a transcript kind of thing. Is the listing of courses common in your field?

It's odd that it seems like they want to get rid of you, rather than they want to see what you've done. Or is that already in your presentation and they're asking for even more substantiation when they ask for the CV?

The race/ethnicity and gender stuff may never completely go away, but at least as you built a professional reputation, who you are will be understood in advance by more and more people that you work with.

I don't list classes on my resume; I've had the same job for a few years now so other than my undergrad/grad school, I don't even list much about my educational background.

Basically, they're looking for an excuse. The same clients don't ask for the resumes of my male counterparts. If people are acting like this over their architects, you don't think they're being as cautious about their presidential candidates?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. But, sometimes it does make a difference. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? What if I hadn't researched colleges very well and found the perfect school for me right away? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

I don't know that the general populace of GC has a problem with her education now or then, at least in the sense that it was decisive in their evaluation of her an a candidate.

I'm interested in it now as a possible predictor of her flakiness in light of her resignation.

Munchkin brought it up in the context of people who believe she never graduated from college.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I don't know that the general populace of GC has a problem with her education now or then, at least in the sense that it was decisive in their evaluation of her an a candidate.

That is my point...it was brought up and immediately brushed aside because it was 'normal' where she was from to do that sort of thing...so to me, it's a big 180 turn that now after the fact it's being discussed in depth.

Not trying to say "I told you so." but moreso that this was an issue that when it really counted no one really brought up.

Again, if the vetting committee was comfortable with it, that was their choice.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

That is my point...it was brought up and immediately brushed aside because it was 'normal' where she was from to do that sort of thing...so to me, it's a big 180 turn that now after the fact it's being discussed in depth.

Not trying to say "I told you so." but moreso that this was an issue that when it really counted no one really brought up.

Again, if the vetting committee was comfortable with it, that was their choice.

I guess I don't understand your point because I don't think it really counted, ever, and the people who are suggesting that it does reveal something significant didn't really consider her qualified in other respects. As near as I can tell, no one would have changed their votes based on a more timely discussion of this issue.