Sarah Palin to resign as Alaska governor

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

It's not the skits themselves that was Palin's undoing. The skits themselves magnified the mistakes that she made during the election and it didn't help that the skits (as said earlier) mirrored what she actually said.

Regardless of what the American people believed she may have said out of her mouth word for word, the bottom line is that people saw her make these mistakes that made for lampoon fodder.

Again as others have said, comedians didn't have to look far for material, just to the source.

And remember, sometimes, comedy is a somewhat lighter way of facing the cold hard truth.

But there's some choice about what gets made fun of and how and how often. (Suppose the 57 states comment was handled as ruthlessly and repeatedly.) Palin's treatment is kind of hard to compare to anything else in my political life span.

The interviews were bad, but it's hard to see how she deserves the level, amount, and topics of ridicule she continues to draw. I think the pundits who look at gender and class may be onto something, and that may play into the college issue Munchkin and I were talking about.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But there's some choice about what gets made fun of and how and how often. (Suppose the 57 states comment was handled as ruthlessly and repeatedly.) Palin's treatment is kind of hard to compare to anything else in my political life span.

The interviews were bad, but it's hard to see how she deserves the level, amount, and topics of ridicule she continues to draw. I think the pundits who look at gender and class may be onto something, and that may play into the college issue Munchkin and I were talking about.

Were you around for Dan Quayle?

I was... and that's about how bad this was... times 4.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Were you around for Dan Quayle?

I was... and that's about how bad this was... times 4.

I was, but I don't see it as anything like the personal nature of the criticism of Palin. He was hammered for being dumb, but I never once heard critiques of his personal appearance as whatever the masculine equivalent of "slutty" is. He could have his family at appearance and I don't remember them being attacked.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I was, but I don't see it as anything like the personal nature of the criticism of Palin. He was hammered for being dumb, but I never once heard critiques of his personal appearance as whatever the masculine equivalent of "slutty" is. He could have his family at appearance and I don't remember them being attacked.

and being hammered for dumb wasnt enough?

it's really hard to make a point by point comparison of Quayle vs Palin. I think the bottom line is that critics of Palin saw her as ill prepared (you know I said it enough times) and wrong on so many levels to be VP and what she is doing right now by resigning with no solid explanation is enforcing that point.

[Munchkin03]

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. But, sometimes it does make a difference. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? What if I hadn't researched colleges very well and found the perfect school for me right away? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

This seems like kind of strange to me.

Her CV is out there. She has a political record to use for evaluation, but you want to look at her pattern of college attendance and make a judgment on that?

Do you submit records for all the classes you took on your CV? Basically, I'm wondering that if they really looked at Palin the way you're suggesting people look at you, wouldn't all they see is the college she graduated from and the work she'd done since graduation?

I'm surprised that it's college background that clients want on you now. I can completely understand wanting to see the projects people had worked on previously if I were hiring in your field though. What I imagine will happen is the longer you work, the more your name will be associated with certain projects and people will be able to quit asking.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

This seems like kind of strange to me.

Do you submit records for all the classes you took on your CV? Basically, I'm wondering that if they really looked at Palin the way you're suggesting people look at you, wouldn't all they see is the college she graduated from and the work she'd done since graduation?

I'm surprised that it's college background that clients want on you now. I can completely understand wanting to see the projects people had worked on previously if I were hiring in your field though. What I imagine will happen is the longer you work, the more your name will be associated with certain projects and people will be able to quit asking.

It may be strange but, unfortunately, it's the truth. It's happened more than once. I do suspect that it will calm down as I get older, but will never go away (for those other two pesky reasons). Come on, you really think they're concerned with what classes I took in college? They look for reasons to get rid of me. When the resume is irontight, they have nothing else to complain about.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

Honestly? I had more pressing issues to be concerned with her about, like her politics and the fact that she couldn't even hold her own in an interview with Katie Freaking Couric. I'm sure the school thing came up and while I didn't shoot it down, I just saw it as less important. Now that she can't even finish up a single term as governor, it's just more of the same.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I think I'm coming down hard on the "college hopscotch" due to personal experience. But, sometimes it does make a difference. There have been evenings that I present to a client; the next morning the client calls my boss to request a copy of my resume/CV. They never have any questions about the information I've provided, but they several have been concerned with my "experience and background."

Is it because I'm young (and I look even younger), female, or a person of color? It probably depends on the client; sometimes it's probably all three. Usually, after looking at my staff bio, they tend to be very good clients. BUT...what if I had done what Ms. Palin did? What if my family hadn't encouraged me to go to the best schools I could get into? What if I hadn't researched colleges very well and found the perfect school for me right away? There's a good chance that those clients would have requested another architect and could sit behind my "qualifications" as an excuse.

Basically, I don't get any slack--so why should she?

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

it's kind of funny that we are discussing this in detail now.

When I brought up during the elections...it was immediately shot down.

Even I have to side with the fact that if the woman could be picked to be VP candidate, then obviously the vetting committee had no problems with her educational resume, but....then again, if the general GC populace NOW has an issue with this, then what does this say about the vetting committee?

I don't know that the general populace of GC has a problem with her education now or then, at least in the sense that it was decisive in their evaluation of her an a candidate.

I'm interested in it now as a possible predictor of her flakiness in light of her resignation.

Munchkin brought it up in the context of people who believe she never graduated from college.