Jon and Kate Plus Eight

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Kate says "the show must go on" because she's doing it for the kids. I realize they might not make 75K per book signing or whatever, but I think there are other ways of getting income.

LOL, it's called a job. And it def. doesn't pay $75k every time you show up!

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I haven't watched the episode yet, but I caught the last five or so minutes last night.

Was it my imagination, or did Jon get his ears pierced? I feel like Jon is having some sort of mid (quarter? third?) life crisis. It's like he woke up, suddenly realized he was thirtyish years old, married with eights kids and was like, "OH S%$." I feel like his behavior over the past or so months has been blatantly irresponsible and immature (especially if some of the stuff I've read in the last couple days is true...... ), and I don't blame Kate for divorcing his sorry ass. Grow the hell up.

This whole situation is just disgusting. Those poor kids.

I find it funny that when a woman is in a verbally abusive relationship, everyone says to get out. Yet when it's a man getting verbally abused, it's still his fault.

If I was married to someone like Kate, I would have done the same thing. It's really unfortunate for the kids who have to go through it and suffer the most, but I've witnessed this same situation firsthand (minus the multiples) and either counseling or divorce is the best conclusion. I was hoping they'd get counseling and maybe work things out.

[GPhiBLtColonel]

I agree - why on earth did these two NOT go for counseling? They really should have done that....I had to change the channel about half way thru the show - both seem really selfish to me....

Also, I hope the show is NOT returned from hiatus....I only watched it every now and then before and if it goes backon the air I will not watch it at all!

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

Was it my imagination, or did Jon get his ears pierced? I feel like Jon is having some sort of mid (quarter? third?) life crisis. It's like he woke up, suddenly realized he was thirtyish years old, married with eights kids and was like, "OH S%$." I feel like his behavior over the past or so months has been blatantly irresponsible and immature (especially if some of the stuff I've read in the last couple days is true...... ), and I don't blame Kate for divorcing his sorry ass. Grow the hell up.

From what I've read and watched, Jon was always kind of aimless. Even when he and Kate started dating, he wasn't really doing anything and it seemed to me like Kate kind of made the relationship, marriage, and kids happen without really consulting with Jon. He was against having more kids after the twins!

In other words, she knew what she was getting into, so she shouldn't be surprised. Most women who marry scrubs know it deep down, but want to deny it, or they think they can "change" him. Sadly, it turns out that they become more like a mother than a wife. Who can blame a husband for resenting that?

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Yeah. The thing that bugs me the most is that when they get older, they can watch it ALL.

Yes, this. This makes the whole situation so much worse.

In addition to watching it all on TV, they will also unfortunately be able to read messages boards, blogs, etc where people are saying all these negative things about their parents. I am not faulting the boards- that is what they are- I am just saying that all these things that strangers are saying about mommy and daddy will be around forever.

[gee_ess]

I just had a horrible, awful thought: What if the new version of this show was a reality show that followed a couple through marriage counseling? Yikes! The audience seems to love it since that is a little bit of what the show has been for the past few episodes.

I can see dollar signs in TLC and Kate's eyes now...TLC's "Jon and Kate Get it Straight" or "Jon and Kate - It's Not Too Late"

Sick, I know...but stranger things have happened!

[rhoyaltempest]

If there was ever a situation where 2 parents should stay together because of the kids, this is it! There are 8 children involved here and it will be hard for one parent (most likely Kate) to be the sole or majority care giver. Even though Kate is not blameless, I feel that Jon is very immature and still has a lot of growing up to do. He said in the interview that he was partly excited to start his new life. It sounds to me like he can't wait to not be a full time dad and feels that he was possibly missing out on his youth but now is not the time to think about yourself. It should only be about the kids at this point and then if they wanted to divorce they could have done that when the children are older and less needy. No one wants to be single with 8 kids!

[EEKappa]

Well, this certainly can't be good for book sales.

I caught part of the show last night when both were saying "the show must go on." Well, what if TLC were to decide that a show involving divorcing parents of eight kids is too painful to watch, and doesn't attract the same viewers as a show with a sweet, happy family of ten? Aren't the two of them being a bit presumptous to think they're as marketable apart as they are together?

Loved Jon saying "Well, I could get a job offer ..." and that would change the plan for sharing parenting while he commutes. Just what does he do, anyway? Lots of really well educated and experienced people are out of jobs in Manhattan as is.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I find it funny that when a woman is in a verbally abusive relationship, everyone says to get out. Yet when it's a man getting verbally abused, it's still his fault.

If I was married to someone like Kate, I would have done the same thing. It's really unfortunate for the kids who have to go through it and suffer the most, but I've witnessed this same situation firsthand (minus the multiples) and either counseling or divorce is the best conclusion. I was hoping they'd get counseling and maybe work things out.

Kate might "verbally abuse" Jon but he will also voice his opinion and go back and forth with her when she is really getting on his nerves. I do not see him as a wimp or passive. Many verbal abuse relationships involve a domineering male and passive female that doesn't take up for herself and has low self-esteem. Surely these are not the same things and you know it.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I can see dollar signs in TLC and Kate's eyes now...TLC's "Jon and Kate Get it Straight" or "Jon and Kate - It's Not Too Late"

Eeeeee! Don't give them ideas! LOL

I think that the Jon & Kate + 8 show is over. Their ratings have been going down since the season opener.... and now that it seems clear that there isn't even a glimmer of hope of them fixing it, people will stop watching. People love situations like this and even though there is trouble, they want to see at least hope of a happy ending and will keep watching to see how it all pans out.

Without that glimmer of hope, people will naturally care less & less.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Kate might "verbally abuse" Jon but he will also voice his opinion and go back and forth with her when she is really getting on his nerves. I do not see him as a wimp or passive. Many verbal abuse relationships involve a domineering male and passive female that doesn't take up for herself and has low self-esteem. Surely these are not the same things and you know it.

I agree! Kate isn't blameless, don't get me wrong, but geezus its ridiculous to say that she was "verbally abusive." Get a grip! Jon stood up for himself time and time again (he did tell Kate to "remove the stick" in one episode). All we saw was 1 day out of the month in their lives. And of course this show was about showing the "kids" but each person had their own character, and Kate's was the "domineering" one....so they had to cast her in that light.


I also think its wrong to assume that they just decided to divorce without talking it out or do counseling or whatever. Like I said, the show doesn't film every day of their lives, so we don't really know what happens behind the camera lens. You all that are talking about "oh the kids will see everything when they are older" will be able to see Greekchat and how their parents were talked about here too.






ETA: So when is everyone gonna jump on the new sextuplet show??? If anyone is doing it for the money, they certainly are.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

From what I've read and watched, Jon was always kind of aimless. Even when he and Kate started dating, he wasn't really doing anything and it seemed to me like Kate kind of made the relationship, marriage, and kids happen without really consulting with Jon. He was against having more kids after the twins!

I saw them on Oprah when the show was just kind of taking off, and they were talking about this (how he was really ok with just the twins). Oprah asked him if he was even just a little resentful of the fact that Kate wanted more kids and they ended up with 6, and he admitted that he was "for a little while" but he "got over it."

I'm thinking that he was probably more than just a resentful about it (more than he let on), but parental resentment doesn't make for warm and fuzzy TV.

Originally Posted by epchick

ETA: So when is everyone gonna jump on the new sextuplet show??? If anyone is doing it for the money, they certainly are.

I have tried to watch that one (the one on WE with the couple from AZ). I can't. They're annoying.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I saw them on Oprah when the show was just kind of taking off, and they were talking about this (how he was really ok with just the twins). Oprah asked him if he was even just a little resentful of the fact that Kate wanted more kids and they ended up with 6, and he admitted that he was "for a little while" but he "got over it."

I'm thinking that he was porbably more than just a resentful about it (more than he let on), but parental resentment doesn't make for warm and fuzzy TV.

I understand that there is a big difference between having 1 kid and ending up with 6....but seriously, it does take 2 to tango (even if it was in a petri dish). The fact that they had to go through IUI to get pregnant makes it even more clear that Jon was fine with having another kid.

I think he's a pathetic human being. There is a difference between being resentful to Kate, and being resentful but saying "hey, I got 6 new kids, I love them and I can't imagine my life without them." I haven't seen Jon say the latter.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by epchick

I understand that there is a big difference between having 1 kid and ending up with 6....but seriously, it does take 2 to tango (even if it was in a petri dish). The fact that they had to go through IUI to get pregnant makes it even more clear that Jon was fine with having another kid.

Yeah, but he admits that he has pretty much always gone along with what Kate wanted. So it probably didn't take "two to tango" in this case (so to speak). I mean, I'd imagine that she'd be pretty upset if she wanted another kid and he said no. He most likely didn't want to rock the boat.

Only problem with always allowing one person to make the decisions is that you eventually will get sick of it.

[DreamfulSpirit]

Jon's new gal to be on the show in August:

http://www.popeater.com/television/a...nd-kate/542110

I'm not sure if that's such a good idea....