Drug Testing for welfare recipients

[agzg]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I wouldn't exactly consider giving junkies money for their next fix saving humanity. But thats just me.

Can you read?

I'll make it easier for you and quote myself so you can have a second look:

Originally Posted by agzg

To be honest, I don't even know. Some personal reasons, some "I want to save humanity" reasons, some "WTF why are people using up resources when I need them too?" reasons...

As has been said, oh, I don't know, 7298734923874 other times in this thread before though, not all welfare recipients use/deal drugs, in fact not even most, and those are the people the system was put in place for.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You can't save everybody...we aren't obligated to, but at the same time, you can't humenly just dump everyone to the wayside either.

This isn't about dumping EVERYONE that receives welfare to the wayside. We are talking about the addicts that may be using government funds to buy drugs.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by agzg

Can you read?

I'll make it easier for you and quote myself so you can have a second look:



As has been said, oh, I don't know, 7298734923874 other times in this thread before though, not all welfare recipients use/deal drugs, in fact not even most, and those are the people the system was put in place for.

Then WHO THE FUCK CARES if you kick the junkies off welfare then? Why are you going about your saving humanity bullshit then?

[DaemonSeid]

BTW...this was mentioned this morning:

Number of homeless families increased 15% in DC area in the past year.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This isn't about dumping EVERYONE that receives welfare to the wayside. We are talking about the addicts that may be using government funds to buy drugs.

PiKA I do agree with you, it would serve you better to aim that comment to madmax since he believes that dumping ALL welfare recipients would be the way to go.

Besides, you know these threads tend to wander.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Newsflash: That is just YOUR area...maybe you haven't heard that there are places such as....ummmmm I dunno... VIRGINIA (which is where she got this from) where in certain counties, illegals can LEGALLY be DENIED public services.

SO stop comparing yourself to 'the rest of the country'.

Prince William passes illegal immigration measure

States tackling illegal immigration as they see fit

If it bothers you so much, write a congressman and see if they can do the same for where YOU live.

Stop talking about it and be about it.




So you plan on rewriting the lawbooks covering executions huh? Do you have a surefire way of making sure that the wrong people aren't put to death or you just want to make it a blanket thing? (Starting to sound a lil' Middle Eastern here...hmmm..) Especially with most states that have the death penalty on moratorium?

You just start sounding dumberer and dumberer with each post you make on this topic.

California is hardly my area. Illegals recieve BILLIONS. Can you dispute that number?


I am not worried about the wrong people being put to death. The real scumbags are almost always repeat offenders. They usually have long histories of crime. The chances of an innocent person being convicted of one crime is possible but the chance of that same person being wrongfully convicted of multiple crimes and eventually receiving the death penalty is slim.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

BTW...this was mentioned this morning:

Number of homeless families increased 15% in DC area in the past year.



PiKA I do agree with you, it would serve you better to aim that comment to madmax since he believes that dumping ALL welfare recipients would be the way to go.

Besides, you know these threads tend to wander.

This is no shock considering the dire straights some families are in now because of the economy. We are going to have more people needing/seeking public assistance than we've seen maybe in our lifetime. Hopefully the public assistance finds itself in the hands of real people in need who need food and shelter for their familiars and not someone looking for their next rock.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Then WHO THE FUCK CARES if you kick the junkies off welfare then? Why are you going about your saving humanity bullshit then?

I haven't weighed in on whether or not I think the junkies should be kicked off welfare.

In fact, all I said originally was that this thread has taken me from irrationally angry to incredibly sad.

For all you know, that could be about the price of tea in China.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by madmax

Welfare recipients add nothing to society other than more welfare recipients and more criminals. They are like the Ocotomom. We should cut them all off before they become Octowelfare recipients.

This is wrong of you to say because NOT all welfare recipients are people who are dumb, on drugs, alcoholics, have no education, or are just the scum of humanity.
I have recieved food stamps twice in my life because we HAD no food! I have 2 degrees! I have worked many jobs and I know that when I got my food stamps I wasn't criminally inclined!
I got the food stamps because I NEEDED FOOD IN MY HOUSE! I wasn't trying to buy crack, crank, heroin, speed, meth, uppers, downers, cane, mary jane, etc! Hell, I was trying to buy some DAMN FOOD!
I was happy as a prostitute selling her goodies to get some food in my house! I was happy to get the food stamps! It wasn't the most glorious time in my life, but hell, when you need the services, you are GRATEFUL that they are there!
It doesn't have anything to do with being an addict or alcoholic--hell when you're hungry and needing food, having food stamps does help!
So for you to say that it just "produces" a cycle/cyclone of welfare recipients you are actually INCORRECT!
The fact is that MOST people that recieve government services DO NOT STAY ON THEM FOR MORE THAN 3 to 6 MONTHS, which was what these services were established for in 1935 with the New Deal.
Yes, there are some people that abuse the system, but sorry, let's dive into the real world, people do that EVERYWHERE! Some people are just loophole jumpers and if they can see a way to jump the system, they will when given the opportunity and chance!
So sorry, there are many areas where lumping people together only serves to show ignorance on your part.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

California is hardly my area. Illegals recieve BILLIONS. Can you dispute that number?


I am not worried about the wrong people being put to death. The real scumbags are almost always repeat offenders. They usually have long histories of crime. The chances of an innocent person being convicted of one crime is possible but the chance of that same person being wrongfully convicted of multiple crimes and eventually receiving the death penalty is slim.

1. I didn't say shit about California, did I?

2. Show where illegals receive billions, and show where their funding is increasing.

You still don't get the big picture, your myopic view of welfare cessation is not surprising given your posture.

You still don't get that it's like a house of cards.

3. Your stance on the death penalty? Amazing and not surprising. Abolish prison and put them ALL to death huh? If you don't work, you die. That's pretty totalitarian don't you think? Maybe someone should lock you up for a petty crime and sentence you to death and see how long it would take for you to change your tune.


You have lot of big talk and most of it is mix of hot air, bullshit and slip sliding.

Originally Posted by libramunoz

This is wrong of you to say because NOT all welfare recipients are people who are dumb, on drugs, alcoholics, have no education, or are just the scum of humanity.

You know....? We have tried telling him that but some people are just hard headed and close minded, so why bother?

I give up and since he isn't adding anything to this convo of true substance, I am really done.

Thank you tho for putting that out there to dispute his bigoted stereotypes.

[libramunoz]

You're welcome DaemonSeid. This is what this fool sent me in a PM:
Quote:
Originally Posted by libramunoz
So for you to say that it just "produces" a cycle/cyclone of welfare recipients you are actually INCORRECT!
.


Of course it is a cycle. Be honest, you are part of that cycle.(how I'm part of this cycle, I don't know. My mother was never on welfare) Your father left your mom (he's ass backwards about this. My Mother threw out my father)and he has been married 6 times right? (What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? My father's been married 6 times, so what, who cares?) How many kids does he have?

Here is a list of guys you said you would not date.


Quote:
Originally Posted by libramunoz
No No's--
A guy with no job
A guy with no ambition/inguneity(sp)
A guy that has children by 6 different women
A guy that doesn't take care of his responsibilities


These guys sound like the people I was describing. I guess they do exist.

Now what in the hell my parents have to do with Jack shit, I dunno?

Basically he got too many things ASS backwards for me or even what HE THINKS HE KNOWS about me!

All it seems to be is that he's an ignorant prick.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by libramunoz

You're welcome DaemonSeid. This is what this fool sent me in a PM:
Quote:
Originally Posted by libramunoz
So for you to say that it just "produces" a cycle/cyclone of welfare recipients you are actually INCORRECT!
.


Of course it is a cycle. Be honest, you are part of that cycle.(how I'm part of this cycle, I don't know. My mother was never on welfare) Your father left your mom (he's ass backwards about this. My Mother threw out my father)and he has been married 6 times right? (What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? My father's been married 6 times, so what, who cares?) How many kids does he have?

Here is a list of guys you said you would not date.


Quote:
Originally Posted by libramunoz
No No's--
A guy with no job
A guy with no ambition/inguneity(sp)
A guy that has children by 6 different women
A guy that doesn't take care of his responsibilities


These guys sound like the people I was describing. I guess they do exist.

Now what in the hell my parents have to do with Jack shit, I dunno?

Basically he got too many things ASS backwards for me or even what HE THINKS HE KNOWS about me!

All it seems to be is that he's an ignorant prick.

don't you hate cowards and idiots?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And you pulled that figure from where? What cost are you comparing that to?

Maybe it didn't occur to you but somehow incarceration and low income somehow goes hand in hand. Regardless of what it costs, the labor that you get out of an incarcerated person is much less than what it would cost to pay that same person if they had a degree.


But anyways...I just love how folks just want to point out the flaws of the system instead of coming up with a solution...oh...wait...coming up with a solution that is agreeable would be too...

socialist?

I pulled that figure from watching a senate debate... I wish I remembered who said it.

I know that low income and incarceration go hand in hand... I feel that I am actually agreeing with you here and don't understand what your deal is. I was arguing AGAINST madmax... take a xanax or something.

My "solution" was a reduction in the amount received in somebody tests positive for drugs and to completely cut off and deport any illegals that we know of- that would cut spending. The "PRUCOL" illegals need to be deported immediately... if you're here illegally then you need to go... plain and simple.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nikki1920

PhiGam: what social assistance do illegals receive? Because at my office, if you are undocumented, you don't get anything except emergency medical services.

They are not only able to receive social security but also the new tax credits and stimulus checks. The democrats (Yes- not a SINGLE republican voted for it) made it so that you don't need a social security number to register for the stimulus checks.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

don't you hate cowards and idiots?

Yes I truly do. I wonder what makes some people want to hide behind a screen name?
I guess he thought he was "cute" sending me a PM on something as asinine as he did.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I pulled that figure from watching a senate debate... I wish I remembered who said it.

I know that low income and incarceration go hand in hand... I feel that I am actually agreeing with you here and don't understand what your deal is. I was arguing AGAINST madmax... take a xanax or something.

My "solution" was a reduction in the amount received in somebody tests positive for drugs and to completely cut off and deport any illegals that we know of- that would cut spending. The "PRUCOL" illegals need to be deported immediately... if you're here illegally then you need to go... plain and simple.

I can't speak for other parts of the country, but in Texas one new thing that they have instituted is to have a person get a copy of their birth certificate or INS card.
This is something that's new and I think that it will be a big help.