Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Oh, I agree that it's unwise to compare any black people with monkeys no matter what your intent because the assumption will be that you're making the racist association, but I don't think that's what was going on in the joke in the NYpost. I don't think the monkey/chimp/primate in the cartoon is supposed to be Obama in any way.

DaemonSeid seems to want to assume that any monkey reference (or actually chimp too) is about Obama even when it really probably isn't. And that's why I'm basically asking him if he thinks that we just forgo any humor with monkey/chimps whatever as long Obama is president, even if the jokes aren't about Obama.

You know people aren't stupid right?

You did go back and see the links I posted that shows clearly this isn't the first time the reference was made.


You did see the letter I posted here from the New York Assoc of Black Journalists.

Clearly they don't believe that should be allowed to slide.

I don't know...maybe they see the same thing I am seeing so...tell ya what...

Since you disagree, then make a clear argument that the cartoon is NO WAY portrays Obama as a stereotypical primate.

[AKA_Monet]

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I am still stuck on that cocked eyed young guy on Lou Dobbs today...

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[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

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I am still stuck on that cocked eyed young guy on Lou Dobbs today...

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damn...so wrong.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You know people aren't stupid right?

You did go back and see the links I posted that shows clearly this isn't the first time the reference was made.


You did see the letter I posted here from the New York Assoc of Black Journalists.

Clearly they don't believe that should be allowed to slide.

I don't know...maybe they see the same thing I am seeing so...tell ya what...

Since you disagree, then make a clear argument that the cartoon is NO WAY portrays Obama as a stereotypical primate.

The monkey isn't supposed to refer to Obama.

Here's the joke: The stimulus bill is a very long bill and no one seems totally sure exactly what's in it . There's a saying about if enough monkeys typed long enough they'd eventually compose any given text, here the stimulus bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem The bill is regarded by many as out of control.

There was also a chimp that attacked a woman and had to be shot by animal control. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...YnNMu17G6hMP4g

While it is known that Obama wanted the stimulus passed, it's pretty clear he didn't write it. I don't think anyone ever talked about him being involved in writing either the house or the senate version. Why would we assume the chimp/monkey in the image is supposed to be Obama?

Is your argument that Obama is black and ALL monkeys in cartoons are used to attack black people?

Sometimes a monkey is just a monkey.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

The monkey isn't supposed to refer to Obama.

Here's the joke: The stimulus bill is a very long bill and no one seems totally sure exactly what's in it . There's a saying about if enough monkeys typed long enough they'd eventually compose any given text, here the stimulus bill. http://en.wikipedia.org<br /> /wiki/...monkey_theorem The bill is regarded by many as out of control.

There was also a chimp that attacked a woman and had to be shot by animal control. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...YnNMu17G6hMP4g

While it is known that Obama wanted the stimulus passed, it's pretty clear he didn't write it. I don't think anyone ever talked about him being involved in writing either the house or the senate version. Why would we assume the chimp/monkey in the image is supposed to be Obama?

Is your argument that Obama is black and ALL monkeys in cartoons are used to attack black people?

Sometimes a monkey is just a monkey.

And a spoon is just a spoon...

You mean the BEST you can do is recycle Sen's theory that I JUST disagreed with?

How dumb do I look to you?

Sweetheart...the coincidence of the chimp, the fact that OBAMA signed the bill the FIRST major bill he has signed in his admin, WHICH the media ATTRIBUTES to him not to mention previous 'monkey remarks' by those opposed to him and past works that Delonas has done that slam Obama makes it nearly impossible to see this as simply a passing joke.

There is NO reason that Delonas couldn't have thought this one out much better than what he did using the monkey in his work.

Do you have any idea at all how dangerous that connotation in that depiction is?

Any idea at all the history of how that depiction in this country has been used?

Let me start you off with one:

Google 'porch monkey'

It was unnecessary and unwarranted and the 2 stories that were unrelated.

Him mixing them together was simply asking for trouble no matter how much you want to put sugar on shit and call it candy.

Please, don't try to explain this again, you didn't say anything convincing.

[UGAalum94]

So basically, any monkey in the media in any kind of political context for you will be intended to represent Obama?

That answers my question.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

So basically, any monkey in the media in any kind of political context for you will be intended to represent Obama?

I don't think that's what he meant.

The primate in this cartoon was interpreted to represent Obama because he has been the "face" of this bill for the American public. I believe the caption read "I guess they'll have find someone else to do the next bill" or whatever. That caption could easily be interpreted as referring to Obama eventhough he is not the author of the bill.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

So basically, any monkey in the media in any kind of political context for you will be intended to represent Obama?

That answers my question.

You don't read...do you?

Your asking the question again looking for a DIFFERENT answer that makes you feel good answers MY question.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You don't read...do you?

Your asking the question again looking for a DIFFERENT answer that makes you feel good answers MY question.

I don't feel bad about the answer you've given.

If I though the chimp in the cartoon was supposed to be Obama, I'd agree with you about how horrible it was. Since I don't think it was intended to be Obama, I'm not outraged.

I'm a little surprised in how invested you are in being outraged by this, but that's how you roll a lot of the time.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'm a little surprised in how invested you are in being outraged by this, but that's how you roll a lot of the time.

It's because he's the gold standard for blackness. If he can't do it, no one can.

[DrPhil]

Since when is any of this about getting DaemonSeid's stamp of approval? And "sweetheart" is ironic coming from someone who is preaching about one of the "-isms."

I completely see both interpretations of this political cartoon and this isn't about right or wrong since we can't prove the intent of the artist. The NY Post is probably not shocked over the negative response because they know about racist images. They may have felt it was worth the risk to make the strong statement. Whether you're happy or pissed, you've seen this cartoon.