Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

[Thetagirl218]

I have a problem with this thread and that goes beyond the original horrific story.

This country has been divided along lines of Pro Life and Pro Choice since the Roe v. Wade decision so many years ago.

honeychile stated her opinion and she has been picked on ever since. We all have a right to believe what we believe and should be able to state that belief without being picked on.

[SWTXBelle]

This story does point out the slippery slope that is picking a single point at which life outside the womb is possible. Most of those I know who call themselves pro-choice draw the line at abortion after the child is viable outside the womb. That line keeps getting earlier and earlier.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

This story does point out the slippery slope that is picking a single point at which life outside the womb is possible. Most of those I know who call themselves pro-choice draw the line at abortion after the child is viable outside the womb. That line keeps getting earlier and earlier.

I posted somewhere else on GC that I believe the answer is establishing a point in gestation beyond which abortion is no longer legal across the board. Beyond that point, if there is a threat to the mother's life, determine another option (such as an emergency c-section). At this point with modern technology, I'd personally say legalize abortion up to 22 weeks. Beyond that, the baby is likely viable outside the womb.

I understand that there can be serious complications for the baby if born premature, but at least give the baby a chance at life. The thing that horrifies me about late term abortions is that we wouldn't go around jamming scissors into newborns' heads...why do it to a baby in utero that CLEARLY feels the pain?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

honeychile stated her opinion and she has been picked on ever since.

Either you're reading a different thread or you're hypersensitive.

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

We all have a right to believe what we believe and should be able to state that belief without being picked on.

Hence the discussion in this thread.

So stop "picking on us" for responding to honeychile.

[Thetagirl218]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Either you're reading a different thread or you're hypersensitive.



Hence the discussion in this thread.

So stop "picking on us" for responding to honeychile.

Thank you for your statement, it proved my point...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

Thank you for your statement, it proved my point...

And this statement proves mine.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The trimester framework was thrown out in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. In that case, the Court retained the viability aspect of the test but made it something of a moving target. They said that prior to the point of viability, the woman has the right to make decisions regarding her own body [I paraphrase], after the point of viability, however, the state's interest in protecting life kicks in and the state can do whatever it deems necessary, even proscribing abortions altogether. The Court, of course, left us with an exception which probably eats the rule -- when the health of the mother is in question, the state's interest in protecting life yields to that. What this "health" interest is, no one really knows.

I usually will hesitate to disagree with MC on legal issues, but this was my understanding as well, that the plurality in Casey threw out the trimester framework. Other than what you've posted, though, I don't think a whole lot more came out of the case (as noted by your last sentence).

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

I have a problem with this thread and that goes beyond the original horrific story.

This country has been divided along lines of Pro Life and Pro Choice since the Roe v. Wade decision so many years ago.

honeychile stated her opinion and she has been picked on ever since. We all have a right to believe what we believe and should be able to state that belief without being picked on.

A couple of things on this:

1) The country was already divided before Roe v. Wade. All you have to do is look at the Griswold decision, or the immense amount of press and publicity prior to Roe to see that this has divided the nation for a number of years. I would agree that it's become even more of a public issue since Roe (especially with the ridiculous tradition of screening Supreme Court justices by their views on abortion).

2) Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where honeychile has been picked on in this thread. Were posts deleted? In any event, I think any time you express your opinion on something as controversial as abortion, you have to expect that you'll be "picked on" to some extent, because people are so polarized on the issue.

[honeychile]

FYI, I don't think I've been picked on in this thread.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honeychile

FYI, I don't think I've been picked on in this thread.

LOL! I didn't think you did. That's why we're like