Chances?

violetpretty · #1 01-31-2009, 12:27 AM

Plus, since fraternities make cuts after bids if they don't like a pledge (I don't know how common this is), you could theoretically get a bid to this chapter only to get cut while pledging if they didn't want you in the first place and only took you to get your friends.

Join a chapter that wants YOU.

ASTalumna06 · #2 02-02-2009, 04:20 PM

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Plus, since fraternities make cuts after bids if they don't like a pledge (I don't know how common this is), you could theoretically get a bid to this chapter only to get cut while pledging if they didn't want you in the first place and only took you to get your friends.

Does this actually happen? How often?

TSteven · #3 02-02-2009, 04:50 PM

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Does this actually happen? How often?

Yes. Many NIC fraternities require some sort of membership vote prior to initiation.

From my experience, top chapters do not use this vote to actively cut members. But only to release pledges that turn out to not be worthy of membership.

So to use violetpretty's example, a chapter might take a guy they may not originally want, simply to "get his friends". (Benefit of the doubt as it were.) He would now be given the chance to prove he is worthy of that bid (and membership) based on *his own merits*. However, if he does not do that, then he may be voted down - i.e. blackballed.

Elephant Walk · #4 02-02-2009, 07:08 PM

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Does this actually happen? How often?

We kicked out 3 or 4 this year.

KSUViolet06 · #5 02-02-2009, 07:17 PM

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We kicked out 3 or 4 this year.

I know that with my sorority, once you get a bid, there are very few circumstances under which my sorority can withold a NM from being initiated. It can be done, but approval has to be obtained from someone at HQ and everything has to be well documented, as in "Here is this list of member participation points for the month and here are all of the events that Suzy did not attend."

I would assume that it's not the same for fraternities. What are some examples of reasons why you have decided that a pledge shouldn't continue with the program (if you can share and it's not part of privileged info of course)?

ASTalumna06 · #6 02-02-2009, 09:24 PM

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I know that with NPC sororities, once you get a bid, there are very few circumstances under which my sorority can withold a NM from being initiated. It can be done, but approval has to be obtained from someone at HQ and everything has to be well documented, as in "Here is this list of member participation points for the month and here are all of the events that Suzy did not attend."

Same with my org. If we have a legitimate reason to force someone to leave, then we can do that (with step-by-step documentation to back up our reasoning).

From what violetpretty said, she made it sound like fraternities are just kicking people out because they feel like it. If that's the case, that kind of sucks. And I suppose it could happen.. especially if they don't need to justify their reason with HQ for doing so. If, on the other hand, the pledge gave them a legitimate reason to kick them out, that's understandable.

TSteven · #7 02-02-2009, 10:31 PM

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I know that with my sorority, once you get a bid, there are very few circumstances under which my sorority can withhold a NM from being initiated. It can be done, but approval has to be obtained from someone at HQ and everything has to be well documented, as in "Here is this list of member participation points for the month and here are all of the events that Suzy did not attend."

I would assume that it's not the same for fraternities. What are some examples of reasons why you have decided that a pledge shouldn't continue with the program (if you can share and it's not part of privileged info of course)?

It can be as simple as "brotherhood". Now while I try to not take the easy way out and be vulgar, there are certain times when such words or phrases might best describe the situation and be rather succinct. This may be one of those occasions. So in this case, if the pledge "sucks", is a "tool", a "douche-bag" as you will, then when it comes time for the chapter to vote for membership, he may not received the necessary votes to become a member. What that number might be, varies by HQs and chapters. For example, it might be 90% has to vote in favor of membership. Or it might be that one *no* vote is all it takes to deny membership. And for what it is worth, some NICs have that information on their websites while others do not.

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Same with my org. If we have a legitimate reason to force someone to leave, then we can do that (with step-by-step documentation to back up our reasoning).

From what violetpretty said, she made it sound like fraternities are just kicking people out because they feel like it. If that's the case, that kind of sucks. And I suppose it could happen.. especially if they don't need to justify their reason with HQ for doing so. If, on the other hand, the pledge gave them a legitimate reason to kick them out, that's understandable.

And basically, that is what is happening. The chapter "feels like it" because the pledge is not meeting the chapter's standards by being a "screw-up". And for NICs, that is often a legitimate reason.

KSUViolet06 · #8 02-02-2009, 10:34 PM

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So in this case, if the pledge "sucks", is a "tool", a "douche-bag" as you will, then when it comes time for the chapter to vote for membership, he may not received the necessary votes to become a member.

Quotation marks = hilarious for some odd reason.

33girl · #9 03-03-2009, 02:48 PM

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Quotation marks = hilarious for some odd reason.

Elephant Walk · #10 02-03-2009, 03:30 AM

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I would assume that it's not the same for fraternities. What are some examples of reasons why you have decided that a pledge shouldn't continue with the program (if you can share and it's not part of privileged info of course)?

For example, one guy smoked pot (which is strictly forbidden by pledge rules), didnt show up to two or three clean-ups nor the big cleanup, and had a terrible attitude.

Another guy we cut was simply kind of weird and was probably flunking most of his classes.