I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT THIS COMMENT!!! IDK WHERE TO PUT IT!!!

Senusret I · #1 01-09-2009, 07:39 PM

I don't see where the second quoted comment negates the first. Nor do I see anything wrong with instructing a child on the proper ways to interact with adults -- that's what I interpreted the second quoted comment as saying, not that molestation is the child's fault.

VAgirl18 · #2 01-09-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I don't see where the second quoted comment negates the first. Nor do I see anything wrong with instructing a child on the proper ways to interact with adults -- that's what I interpreted the second quoted comment as saying, not that molestation is the child's fault.

I think that if a person is aroused by a child bouncing in their laps, then they deserved to be committed.

Senusret I · #3 01-09-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VAgirl18

I think that if a person is aroused by a child bouncing in their laps, then they deserved to be committed.

And I don't disagree with that, nor do I think the person quoted would.

I *also* believe that children should be instructed on proper interactions with adults. This could very well be a cultural thing, but where I'm from we were taught (and therefore teach our children) to avoid physical contact with unrelated people.

And if there is a family member who is "funny" (and we all know or have heard of an Uncle Chester) then the children are also instructed not to jump in his lap in the first place.

Nowhere am I saying that a child deserves it.

AKA_Monet · #4 01-09-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I don't see where the second quoted comment negates the first. Nor do I see anything wrong with instructing a child on the proper ways to interact with adults -- that's what I interpreted the second quoted comment as saying, not that molestation is the child's fault.

I am going to respond as calming as possibly as I can and ask you leave this thread because your educated opinion comment is foul to all those who have victimized by predators.

First, the fact that the child just behaves however, whenever, should NEVER have a sexual innuendo attached to it. A child does not have the child developmental discernment enough to make a choice to behave in any sexual manner. So that means that the older youth or adult misconstrued actions of a child.

When you have a lunatic sexually abusing a 4 y/o on CNN, it is NOT because the child came onto the adult...

Now, continue with your opinions here. But let me say, I hate you, period. Please, leave...

Senusret I · #5 01-09-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am going to respond as calming as possibly as I can and ask you leave this thread because your educated opinion comment is foul to all those who have victimized by predators.

First, the fact that the child just behaves however, whenever, should NEVER have a sexual innuendo attached to it. A child does not have the child developmental discernment enough to make a choice to behave in any sexual manner. So that means that the older youth or adult misconstrued actions of a child.

When you have a lunatic sexually abusing a 4 y/o on CNN, it is NOT because the child came onto the adult...

Now, continue with your opinions here. But let me say, I don't forgive you and I hate you period. So get out.

Wow.

First, I find it sad that you have to bully someone out of a thread because they don't agree with you, but I also believe that it's par for the course for you. You are more than welcome to put me on ignore if you don't like my opinions. I would return the favor if I could.

You hate me period? Wow.

I'm going to keep commenting in this thread as long as I have an opinion about it and it doesn't have to be the same as yours, okay?

AKA_Monet · #6 01-09-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Wow.

First, I find it sad that you have to bully someone out of a thread because they don't agree with you, but I also believe that it's par for the course for you. You are more than welcome to put me on ignore if you don't like my opinions. I would return the favor if I could.

You hate me period? Wow.

I'm going to keep commenting in this thread as long as I have an opinion about it and it doesn't have to be the same as yours, okay?

No, you are not having to deal with fellow posters who have contemplated suicide due to some the lunacy you justified as reasonable and call my opinion as disagreement.

What does this conversation have to do with you? Have you EVER been sexual molested or abused? Because several people have as have I. And I find it shocking that we have to be careful being around adults because they cannot keep it in their pants or zipped up?

A child cannot help being a child.

And that is a perverse thought to enacted by that adult when they feel they should hurt children.

The other issue I don't care how cultural as we think it is. A child discipline is NOT that.

You are bullying me because you have nothing better to say to me.

Get over yourself and your arrogance, punk.

Senusret I · #7 01-09-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

No, you are not having to deal with fellow posters who have contemplated suicide due to some the lunacy you justified as reasonable and call my opinion as disagreement.

What does this conversation have to do with you? Have you EVER been sexual molested or abused? Because several people have as have I. And I find it shocking that we have to be careful being around adults because they cannot keep it in their pants or zipped up?

A child cannot help being a child.

And that is a perverse thought to enacted by that adult when they feel they should hurt children.

The other issue I don't care how cultural as we think it is. A child discipline is NOT that.

You are bullying me because you have nothing better to say to me.

Get over yourself and your arrogance, punk.

This is the thing... you don't know what I've been through or witnessed because I don't put my entire life on the internet. Most of it, yes, but not all. GreekChat is not the place where I share those stories.

So what does this conversation have to do with me? None of your particular business.

That said, it's quite sad that you can't even see where I agree with you, as well. You can call me arrogant, you can call me a punk -- I've been called worse by better.

But if you can't handle the discourse, then you shouldn't have started the thread. This is a conversation.

AKA_Monet · #8 01-09-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

This is the thing... you don't know what I've been through or witnessed because I don't put my entire life on the internet. Most of it, yes, but not all. GreekChat is not the place where I share those stories.

So what does this conversation have to do with me? None of your particular business.

That said, it's quite sad that you can't even see where I agree with you, as well. You can call me arrogant, you can call me a punk -- I've been called worse by better.

But if you can't handle the discourse, then you shouldn't have started the thread. This is a conversation.

You and I have nothing to discuss because I hate you, period. Your choice, live with your decisions. Dialog has been eliminated and it will always be combative.

I do not care to know who you really are, you are not a person I choose to interact with about anything. I think you know the reason why and I choose not to get over it and harbor this resentment forever. My choice.

As a result, you have nothing relevant to contribute to this conversation by your first post in my opinion. Others may can choose to agree with you. Whatever you write, wherever you write it on GC, I will NEVER, EVER agree with you... And what you have to say about posts, does not mean you have any reason to interact with me.

I am kindly asking you to leave. Please leave. I cannot stop your posts, I don't want to and I don't care, really. But you and I, have ZERO meaningful conversations ANYWHERE in the torrential OCEAN of cyberspace and on this planet Earth...

Yes, it is like that...

AKA_Monet · #9 01-09-2009, 08:29 PM

A close friend of mine, posted in response to this post:

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"Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child" is often taken as a license to beat a child. It is unfortunate that the "sheep" that walk in and out of churches half asleep throughout life, take a few versus taught to them by irresponsible leaders, use those written "words" to do harm against defenseless people.

The way I read this "pastor's" comments in response to mine, which were utterly benign by the way, it is still wrong to recommend to parents that they should control the "cuteness" of their children while sitting on offender's laps--I cannot believe I can write that statement correctly...

SigmaPezY60 · #10 01-09-2009, 07:52 PM

It's more important that the parent teach the child what is inappropriate for an ADULT be doing to the child than anything and to tell the child that if and adult does things like that, no matter who the adult is or what the adult tells the child, that the child should tell the parent immediately.

I don't have kids, so its difficult to put myself into that position and maybe that makes my advice moot. But it is NEVER the fault of the child. We live in times, where not every adult we intereact with can be trusted. So take advantage of some states' programs that allow you to find out the names & addresses of sex offenders in your area.

VAgirl18 · #11 01-09-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SigmaPezY60

It's more important that the parent teach the child what is inappropriate for an ADULT be doing to the child than anything and to tell the child that if and adult does things like that, no matter who the adult is or what the adult tells the child, that the child should tell the parent immediately.

I don't have kids, so its difficult to put myself into that position and maybe that makes my advice moot. But it is NEVER the fault of the child. We live in times, where not every adult we intereact with can be trusted. So take advantage of some states' programs that allow you to find out the names & addresses of sex offenders in your area.

co-sign

Senusret I · #12 01-09-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

He responded to basic questions I asked. The original poster, which I gave the link to, and you can go to anytime you desire, asked how she should handle this, I gave her my opinion.

The second quote was to my opinion. After he said that parents need to control the sexual innuendoes of children toward older youths and adults is when it is inappropriate to those who are ordained under the cloth...

Now, continue on with asinine logic. I hate you, period.

When I clicked on the link, I had to register for a new site, which I'm not going to do. You did not state that the second opinion was a response to yours, so I read the quotes for what they were, a back to back response.

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Originally Posted by SigmaPezY60

It's more important that the parent teach the child what is inappropriate for an ADULT be doing to the child than anything and to tell the child that if and adult does things like that, no matter who the adult is or what the adult tells the child, that the child should tell the parent immediately.

I don't have kids, so its difficult to put myself into that position and maybe that makes my advice moot. But it is NEVER the fault of the child. We live in times, where not every adult we intereact with can be trusted. So take advantage of some states' programs that allow you to find out the names & addresses of sex offenders in your area.

I agree with all of that, too.

AKA_Monet · #13 01-09-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

When I clicked on the link, I had to register for a new site, which I'm not going to do. You did not state that the second opinion was a response to yours, so I read the quotes for what they were, a back to back response.

Your choice, but that still does makes you a vile person in my opinion...

Go away, please, I beg of you. I hate you so much right now, I cannot stand you.

ZTAngel · #14 01-09-2009, 09:43 PM

This has gotten out of hand. Thread closed.

AKA_Monet · #15 01-09-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SigmaPezY60

It's more important that the parent teach the child what is inappropriate for an ADULT be doing to the child than anything and to tell the child that if and adult does things like that, no matter who the adult is or what the adult tells the child, that the child should tell the parent immediately.

I don't have kids, so its difficult to put myself into that position and maybe that makes my advice moot. But it is NEVER the fault of the child. We live in times, where not every adult we intereact with can be trusted. So take advantage of some states' programs that allow you to find out the names & addresses of sex offenders in your area.

While I agree with what you are saying, and in a perfect world, that is what parents can do for the protection of their children. However, a lot of sexual trauma does not get enacted by strangers, but by someone the child knows well...

And usually, the child is old enough to hear what the adult said as to "not to tell anyone, that's our little secret" and gets a prize, token or candy, and moves on. The disconnect is the child grows up and finds out how morally ugly it is, and if it was violent, they act out by hurting other children.

Yes, they should tell the loving parent that this is going on. But children aren't doing it because, of several reasons, traumatized and forgets, the parent is a drug addict and the person's doing the trauma is the boyfriend/husband, and/or a no one believed the child--i.e. no visible marks, etc.

So, it is irresponsible for an ordained pastor to run upon this with trepidation... I am sorry, I don't know how to do that...