Wear letters at a bar??

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

I won't claim to know our national policy 100%, but I actually don't think it addresses drinking alcohol in our letters. However, every chapter I advise does address the issue to some degree in their chapter's Code of Conduct, which does allow for more variation due to campus climate. I know at least one chapter with which I work has rules in thier COC about smoking cigarettes in thier letters, too.

It's a debate between some other advisors with which I work, but from an alumna perspective, I fall on the side of modeling responsible behavior. If I'm wearing my letters and we all decide to go get dinner or something, I don't see a problem with having a glass of wine with my meal. It's like the others said- I believe there is a big difference between simply drinking in my letters, and getting drunk in my letters.

For me, I think the difference would be the context of the situation. If I got a glass of wine with a meal, that's one thing. Going to a bar to get a beer with a friend regardless of whether I become intoxicated or not, not ok in letters IMO.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

For me, I think the difference would be the context of the situation. If I got a glass of wine with a meal, that's one thing. Going to a bar to get a beer with a friend regardless of whether I become intoxicated or not, not ok in letters IMO.

I can see this more easily than a blanket ban. There is a difference between a bar on one hand and a nice dinner (or wedding reception) on the other hand.

[SWTXBelle]

FWIW - At our alumnae chapter's Founders' Day luncheon we could have wine. Everyone wore her badge, and we had a former International President in attendance. BUT we weren't in letters per se.

[AlphaFrog]

I think most NPC women would be shocked to learn that a good amount of NPCs don't actually have alcohol policies in their Inter/National policies. It seems to have become a pretty common CHAPTER rule, and most people don't know which are chapter rules and national rules. I was told as an undergrad that ASA had national "Drinking in letters" rules, but there are none. Even Dolly Purvis Lloyd (a National VP) conceded that fact at District Days D4 last year - although if it were up to her, there would be.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I think most NPC women would be shocked to learn that a good amount of NPCs don't actually have alcohol policies in their Inter/National policies. It seems to have become a pretty common CHAPTER rule, and most people don't know which are chapter rules and national rules. I was told as an undergrad that ASA had national "Drinking in letters" rules, but there are none. Even Dolly Purvis Lloyd (a National VP) conceded that fact at District Days D4 last year - although if it were up to her, there would be.

Yeah, and that doesn't even touch Sidney Allen (former national Panhel prez) drinking in her pin.

This argument goes on and on and I think it's silly. If you're at a small school where everyone knows everyone or at least knows what group they are in, I think it's pointless to get all self righteous about not drinking in letters. It doesn't matter if you have letters on or not. Everyone is going to know that AlphaFrog the ASA and Brad Pitt the Sigma Chi were groping each other at the bar.

And as TSteven said...it used to be you SHOULD wear letters to get certain rights at parties, etc.

This has to do with risk management. It doesn't have to do with the "sanctity" of pieces of fabric on another piece of fabric. People just like to tell themselves that. And as I have said, the easier NPC pledging got, the more anal rules like this started to pop up.

Ditto all this for the smoking rules, I honestly hear those more from Southern chapters.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, and that doesn't even touch Sidney Allen (former national Panhel prez) drinking in her pin.

This argument goes on and on and I think it's silly. If you're at a small school where everyone knows everyone or at least knows what group they are in, I think it's pointless to get all self righteous about not drinking in letters. It doesn't matter if you have letters on or not. Everyone is going to know that AlphaFrog the ASA and Brad Pitt the Sigma Chi were groping each other at the bar.

And as TSteven said...it used to be you SHOULD wear letters to get certain rights at parties, etc.

This has to do with risk management. It doesn't have to do with the "sanctity" of pieces of fabric on another piece of fabric. People just like to tell themselves that. And as I have said, the easier NPC pledging got, the more anal rules like this started to pop up.

Ditto all this for the smoking rules, I honestly hear those more from Southern chapters.

I completely agree with you! A lot of these rules are silly, but because AOII does have a rule regarding alcohol, I think twice about it!

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

This has to do with risk management. It doesn't have to do with the "sanctity" of pieces of fabric on another piece of fabric. People just like to tell themselves that. And as I have said, the easier NPC pledging got, the more anal rules like this started to pop up.

For me personally, whether this is a risk management issue or not, I wouldn't wear my letters to the bar out of respect for my organization. I don't feel that being drunk in my letters is necessary, and it's an easily avoidable situation.

And again... why don't people dress up to go out anymore?

[Langox510x]

(edit) wrong thread.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I think most NPC women would be shocked to learn that a good amount of NPCs don't actually have alcohol policies in their Inter/National policies.

I think this is misleading. I know in this thread you're discussing drinking in letters, but to say most NPCs don't have "Alcohol" policies is not true. Most all DO have policies which state things like no chapter funds used to purchase alcohol, no alcohol in chapter housing, must follow state laws, etc.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I was told as an undergrad that ASA had national "Drinking in letters" rules, but there are none. Even Dolly Purvis Lloyd (a National VP) conceded that fact at District Days D4 last year

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, and that doesn't even touch Sidney Allen (former national Panhel prez) drinking in her pin.

I'm sure these two would be so proud to be mentioned in an online message board about drinking in your letters! LOL

Oh, and just FYI, Sidney's title was NPC Chairman.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I'm sure these two would be so proud to be mentioned in an online message board about drinking in your letters! LOL

Oh, and just FYI, Sidney's title was NPC Chairman.

Yes, I'm sure they would be upset to be mentioned in the context of clearing up misinformed collegians.

Oh, and just FYI, AlphaFrog and I are sick of being your board crushes. Find someone else.