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Originally Posted by irishpipes
Your definition of grace is not the issue here, and your post indicates that you do not understand Catholic teachings on grace or of ordination and priesthood.
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No, but MY DEFINITION OF GRACE is a key part in the formation of MY OPINION which I'm perfectly within right to state on a public forum.
I understand perfectly well the difference between the "Catholic" definition of grace and my own. I went to a Catholic high school and thus spent a year intensely studying the the basics of the faith as per graduation requirement. My post indicates that grace as illustrated by the actual teachings and stories of Christ should not be revised by anyone except for the One from whom it is comes. Therefore, the Church twisting and limiting such a thing by conditions other than those set forth by the Bible and calling it "grace" is misleading and unfair. This discussion is not based on whoever knows more about Catholicism and not only those baptized into it may have an opinion about it. And let's face it, this entire thread is (unless citations are provided) little more than 7 pages worth of people's opinions.
ETA: Irish, if I sound like I'm snapping at you (and in a mild way I might be) it's partially because I'm having a horrible week and partially because your post toward me came off as snotty on my end. I know it's not your fault how I read your words, but I'm letting you know that, as more and more people are seeming to pass judgement on the faith, your posts are looking frustrated and defensive. At least from where I'm sitting. I'm not purposely trying to offend you or what you believe in.
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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam
If they can't vote for Obama because he's pro-choice, and they can't vote for McCain because he's pro-capital punishment... who are they supposed to vote for? Was there any candidate at any time that was against both?
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IDK, my bff Huckabee?
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