No communion for Obama supporters

[epchick]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

The two aren't mutually exclusive. If, as Roman Catholics do, you believe that the Church is the way to salvation, then in fact Jesus came down to found the Roman Catholic Church TO save you from eternal damnation. Again, I'm not RC, but that's my understanding.

I don't ever remember learning it so i'm not exactly sure if that is what they are implying, but here is what it says (verbatim):

"Why did Jesus come down to earth?

God sent Jesus to earth so that he could found the Catholic Church"


I've also always wondered if other Catholics (in an area that is not predominantly Hispanic) have such an "admiration" to the Virgin Mary that the Hispanic (mainly Mexican) Catholics do.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by epchick

I don't ever remember learning it so i'm not exactly sure if that is what they are implying, but here is what it says (verbatim):

"Why did Jesus come down to earth?

God sent Jesus to earth so that he could found the Catholic Church"

According to dicionary.com, one of the definitions of catholic is

# Catholic

1. Of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.
2. Of or relating to the universal Christian church.
3. Of or relating to the ancient undivided Christian church.
4. Of or relating to those churches that have claimed to be representatives of the ancient undivided church.

so the catechism may be referring to the ancient undivided church as opposed to the Roman Catholic church. I know in our hymnals (LCMS Lutheran) there's a footnote in the Apostle's Creed where it states the word Christian in one spot used to be catholic. I believe other denominations still use the term catholic when they recite the creed.

Or maybe Roman Catholics are really that self-centered.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

According to dicionary.com, one of the definitions of catholic is
so the catechism may be referring to the ancient undivided church as opposed to the Roman Catholic church. I know in our hymnals (LCMS Lutheran) there's a footnote in the Apostle's Creed where it states the word Christian in one spot used to be catholic. I believe other denominations still use the term catholic when they recite the creed.

Or maybe Roman Catholics are really that self-centered.

Even if they are referring to the "undivided church," I'm pretty sure that Jesus didn't come to earth to form a church. I think Jesus was more concerned about people's salvation than "hey let me create a church and then name the followers after myself"

I agree with your last point thought! lol

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

According to dicionary.com, one of the definitions of catholic is
so the catechism may be referring to the ancient undivided church as opposed to the Roman Catholic church. I know in our hymnals (LCMS Lutheran) there's a footnote in the Apostle's Creed where it states the word Christian in one spot used to be catholic. I believe other denominations still use the term catholic when they recite the creed.

Or maybe Roman Catholics are really that self-centered.

United Methodists say "I believe in the holy Catholic Church," then there's a footnote that says "Universal."

I was wondering about the death penalty thing. If they can't vote for Obama because he's pro-choice, and they can't vote for McCain because he's pro-capital punishment... who are they supposed to vote for? Was there any candidate at any time that was against both?

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

United Methodists say "I believe in the holy Catholic Church," then there's a footnote that says "Universal."

I was wondering about the death penalty thing. If they can't vote for Obama because he's pro-choice, and they can't vote for McCain because he's pro-capital punishment... who are they supposed to vote for? Was there any candidate at any time that was against both?

I would think in the churches that use the creed probably have the word catholic without a capital C - since that word is just an adjective meaning universal if not capitalized.

As to your other point - this is a constant source of discussion among many Catholics. There is no "Catholic party" with a candidate to vote for, and there never seems to be a candidate with a "perfect" Catholic platform. Typically the Bishops release a voter guide which deals with formulating a Catholic conscience in voting. They do not promote specific candidates or political parties. Part of the Catholic conscience idea involves reminders on Church teachings involving many things - social justice, war, death penalty, stem cell, and yes, abortion.

I think it is something of a fallacy that the Church is completely anti-death penalty. It isn't. Of course the Church's teachings on life certainly lean WAY to the side of no death penalty, but it isn't as absolute as abortion.

Back to the point though, the voter guides that I have read in my lifetime have addressed a necessary "evil" of choosing between imperfect candidates, because we have a duty to be voting citizens. While no candidate has been ideal, there is always one or more who is more acceptable to practicing Catholics than another.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

United Methodists say "I believe in the holy Catholic Church," then there's a footnote that says "Universal."

It's probably written "catholic" with a small "c". I was always told there's a difference between "small c" catholic (e.g., the Episcopalian/Anglican church) and "large c" Catholic. The Roman Catholics have basically co-opted the term "catholic" and teaches that it is the "one true" Church to its followers.


ETA: irishpipes beat me to it!