She just won't go away peacefully into the night

[ZTAMich]

It's the polite thing to do, as part of the losing ticket, to say she would like to help Obama. I'd like to think a lot of people, not just Palin, have realized that we need to put political parties aside and unify as a nation.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by ZTAMich

It's the polite thing to do, as part of the losing ticket, to say she would like to help Obama. I'd like to think a lot of people, not just Palin, have realized that we need to put political parties aside and unify as a nation.

true, but if i were republican, and i watched her constantly go after him and degrade his character, it would make me wonder if you were lying before to us...because why would she really want to go help someone who "pals around with terrorists"?? dont get me wrong, i would say the same thing of Obama if he bad-mouthed McCain, and i held Hilary to the same standards when she was running her mouth about Obama...

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

true, but if i were republican, and i watched her constantly go after him and degrade his character, it would make me wonder if you were lying before to us...because why would she really want to go help someone who "pals around with terrorists"?? dont get me wrong, i would say the same thing of Obama if he bad-mouthed McCain, and i held Hilary to the same standards when she was running her mouth about Obama...

I mean, in theory . . . there should be a higher ideal (namely, the betterment of the United States of America) at play, regardless of rhetoric or even personal feelings, no?

[DaemonSeid]

yes...it's called the Warmup Round for 2012

[AOII_LB93]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

yes...it's called the Warmup Round for 2012

Oh please, I know even staunch republicans who wouldn't vote for her. She might like to think she will be a viable candidate, but there are others who would be far better choices.

This is my complaint with American politics....we need a viable 3rd party. I'm not 100% dem, I'm not 100% republican. We need a middle of the road party.

Who's with me?

[LightBulb]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

I'm not 100% dem, I'm not 100% republican. We need a middle of the road party.

...maybe the Libertarians? Fiscally conservative, socially liberal?

Or do you mean middle-of-the-road on social issues?

[AOII_LB93]

Originally Posted by LightBulb

...maybe the Libertarians? Fiscally conservative, socially liberal?

Or do you mean middle-of-the-road on social issues?

Nah, libertarians don't work for me really either. I'm pretty much middle of the road all the way around.

I'm so far gone it's ridiculous. I think I need to start my own party.
Pro:
-choice(but not for myself or late term)
-social programs (to an extent - but not lifers on things like welfare etc...)
-taking care of our vets
-having a standing army, but of highly trained individuals - a la special forces, etc...
-improving public education (intelligently)
-flat tax
-personal responsibility (I know, libertarian here)
- gun control, to an extent (my husband would want to shoot me here )
- sustainable energy
-civil unions/ gay marriage
-capital punishment
-harsher living conditions in prison (for the real baddies, I mean really, do they need cable tv and to be able to work out daily?)
-marijuana legalization (for small amounts only, not pounds of the maui wowee)
-harsher punishment for sex crimes and crimes against children
-caring more about people in the US (i.e. Katrina, poverty, homelessness, inequity in education) and helping us truly become a "super" power
-stem cell research
-health care for all citizens
-mandatory foreign language education starting in elementary school
-English being the national language


against:
-giving money to other nations (14 billion a year may not seem like a lot, bit still)when our people are going to bed hungry or dumber than the rest of the world
-retarded amounts of defense spending on weapons that no one can fight or have the need for anyhow
-lobbyists
-religion influencing govt.
-amnesty for those who came here illegally, many come legally, and yes your country might suck, but you know what? My grandparents, my husband's grand parents and other members of my family did it legally
-govt. snooping on personal stuff (big brother)
-pork barrel bulls---
-frivolous lawsuits (coffee is hot, don't stick it between your legs...and yes, peeps lots of mcdonalds makes you fat...your bad for eating it all the time.)
-inflated pricing for things we overproduce like milk, etc...
-genetically engineered food/people
-ridiculous standardized tests for students who are not the same
-voting in languages other than English. If you have the right to vote, you should be able to read and write English.

I don't know...that's a lot, but not even the half. I should probably shut up now since I'm so far off topic and will probably get flamed to all hell.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

Oh please, I know even staunch republicans who wouldn't vote for her. She might like to think she will be a viable candidate, but there are others who would be far better choices.

This is my complaint with American politics....we need a viable 3rd party. I'm not 100% dem, I'm not 100% republican. We need a middle of the road party.

Who's with me?

That's it right there....people are talking like she has a chance...heck I don't know if she can even keep her governorship past her first term...she has LOT of work to do if she ever decides to run at the TOP of the ticket...time is on her side tho...she is only in her 40s.....she should get into a Hillary Boot Camp Course...

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I mean, in theory . . . there should be a higher ideal (namely, the betterment of the United States of America) at play, regardless of rhetoric or even personal feelings, no?

oh absolutely...i just believe that depending on what you say about an apponent, it can damage your credibility in some citizens eyes. i have enough common sense to know that hey, they are politicians, so 85% of what is said is a lie, but after hearing from people in public different Obama rumors (muslim, doesnt stand for the flag, wont be sworn in with a bible, etc) and the people who actually take what is said as gospel, they will be the ones wondering why she is now helping him.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

oh absolutely...i just believe that depending on what you say about an apponent, it can damage your credibility in some citizens eyes. i have enough common sense to know that hey, they are politicians, so 85% of what is said is a lie, but after hearing from people in public different Obama rumors (muslim, doesnt stand for the flag, wont be sworn in with a bible, etc) and the people who actually take what is said as gospel, they will be the ones wondering why she is now helping him.

Bingo....thus the whole point of me posting this thread.

You talk shyte about me last week and now this week you want to be my friend.....

Hand out ready to be shaken but I need to be prepared for the dagger behind your back....as it were.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Bingo....thus the whole point of me posting this thread.

You talk shyte about me last week and now this week you want to be my friend.....

Hand out ready to be shaken but I need to be prepared for the dagger behind your back....as it were.

EXACTLY! and like i said, its not a dem/rep issue, because i said the same thing about Hillary when she was in the primaries...i wonder if that didnt ultimately cost her the vp nomination...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

EXACTLY! and like i said, its not a dem/rep issue, because i said the same thing about Hillary when she was in the primaries...i wonder if that didnt ultimately cost her the vp nomination...

Cant walk thru the political playground without getting your shoes dirty.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

oh absolutely...i just believe that depending on what you say about an apponent, it can damage your credibility in some citizens eyes. i have enough common sense to know that hey, they are politicians, so 85% of what is said is a lie, but after hearing from people in public different Obama rumors (muslim, doesnt stand for the flag, wont be sworn in with a bible, etc) and the people who actually take what is said as gospel, they will be the ones wondering why she is now helping him.

So . . . wouldn't that add credibility/legitimacy to the Obama camp?

I mean, the people that believe her as "gospel" clearly aren't smart enough to think critically on their own, according to what you're implying here, so sacrificing her own credibility for (an apparent) holistic or 'greater' good seems like a no-brainer if she ever wants to run again (since she's not really sacrificing anything).

She kind of has to say this, both for her political and patriotic well-being, doesn't she?

Besides this, as much as Palin is indeed awkward, stilted and lost, I don't consider it disingenuous in the slightest to say that you'd work with someone who you feel is a poor choice because it's for the best to do that rather than continue fighting . . . it's somewhat like staying together for the kids.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

So . . . wouldn't that add credibility/legitimacy to the Obama camp?

I mean, the people that believe her as "gospel" clearly aren't smart enough to think critically on their own, according to what you're implying here, so sacrificing her own credibility for (an apparent) holistic or 'greater' good seems like a no-brainer if she ever wants to run again (since she's not really sacrificing anything).

She kind of has to say this, both for her political and patriotic well-being, doesn't she?

Besides this, as much as Palin is indeed awkward, stilted and lost, I don't consider it disingenuous in the slightest to say that you'd work with someone who you feel is a poor choice because it's for the best to do that rather than continue fighting . . . it's somewhat like staying together for the kids.

i dont think some of these people are going to look at it as boosting Obama's credibility at all...they are going to look at it as "staying together for the kids...". this is really just going off of what i have experienced since the election, there are some people, not many, who believe what she said and are HEATED because now they feel they dont know who to trust: Palin, who obviously lied to them, or Obama, who had some pretty scary things said about him. the ones i meet are siding with Palin: she is the "safer" choice in their minds... granted, this is a small group of people, i am hoping that as Jan 20th comes, they will focus on becoming educated and move forward.

and i second the fact that she needs someone like Obama...desperately!

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

. . it's somewhat like staying together for the kids.

Good point to consider...but what do kids do? They see that their parents clearly are not happy and some start to choose sides. The parents appear happy on the outside (the face they show their kids) but on the inside they clearly cannot stand each other and are waiting for the kids to get grown so they can divorce.

Apply that logic to Obama / Palin...the only difference is...the 'kids (us) are grown and have an idea of what we see and what we are willing to tolerate from the 'parents'.

That is, I think the idea that now Palin saying that she wants to work with Obama after just weeks ago smearing him, is not such a good idea IMO